Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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    You trying to lump personal identity in with things that can lead to jail or teenage pregnancy is very telling.

    Yes, it’s called ‘behavior.’

    The government forces parents to send our kids to government institutions for ‘education’ and if we want to know what’s going on they tell us to shut up? Nah, family, I don’t buy into that philosophy.

    Should teachers also report when your child makes friends with a student of a different race or religion?

    Did you not parent teacher meetings where they talk about how you’re doing in school and who you’re hanging out with?

    You keep referring to teachers ‘making decisions about the child’ but nothing is being ‘decided’ by teachers here.

    The teachers are deciding to withhold information about how my kid behaves in a government forced institution. The teachers should be working with parents, not fighting against them.

    It’s the children who are deciding this for themselves because they’re also people with autonomy.

    How much autonomy? If they can decide for themselves, why shouldn’t we remove the drinking age? Smoking age? military age? They’re people with autonomy, right? If a kid gets caught drinking, their parents deal with it, not the kid.

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      Yes, it’s called ‘behavior.’

      What a nonsense, meaningless reply. This sounds like a response from someone who lacks critical thinking skills and doesn’t understand the difference between behavior and identity.

      The government forces parents to send our kids to government institutions for ‘education’ and if we want to know what’s going on they tell us to shut up?

      This makes you sound unhinged. Who is ‘they’ and when did ‘they’ tell you to shut up?

      Did you not parent teacher meetings where they talk about how you’re doing in school and who you’re hanging out with?

      Yes, and that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion. Parent teacher conferences don’t consist of the teacher listing the race, religion or ethnicity of the students I/my child hang out with, nor is there a specific mandate for them to do so.

      Since you avoided my question, I’ll ask you again: Should teachers also report when your child makes friends with a student of a different race or religion? Why or why not and if not, how is that any different from this? Are you capable of responding to this question or do you find it too challenging?

      The teachers are deciding to withhold information about how my kid behaves in a government forced institution.

      Are they? Or maybe they’re just minding their own business when it comes to matters that don’t involve education or risky/harmful behavior. If you want to know about your kid’s behavior, why are you asking their teacher instead of them? You complain about ‘forced government institutions’ yet in the next breath demand they be the sole conduit into your child’s life.

      The teachers should be working with parents, not fighting against them.

      Why would anyone in their right mind want to work with someone who refers to them as a “servant” of theirs and claims they work for a “forced government institution” that’s indoctrinating children? How are they “fighting against you” here?

      How much autonomy? If they can decide for themselves, why shouldn’t we remove the drinking age? Smoking age? military age? They’re people with autonomy, right? If a kid gets caught drinking, their parents deal with it, not the kid.

      What do any of these things have to do with a person determining their own identity just as every other autonomous human has done for millennia?

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        What a nonsense, meaningless reply. This sounds like a response from someone who lacks critical thinking skills and doesn’t understand the difference between behavior and identity.

        Parents are forced to send their kids to government agents at the threat of taking the kids away. The least they can do is being transparent with my kids behavior, if little jimmy wants everyone to call him Laquisha, that falls under behavior.

        This makes you sound unhinged. Who is ‘they’ and when did ‘they’ tell you to shut up?

        What’s unhinged about it? My local school boards.

        Yes, and that’s completely irrelevant to the discussion.

        No it’s not, teachers have been expected to let parents know what their kids are up to and how they’re doing socially, emotionally and with their studies. The fact you are trying to have teachers keep these things from parents is more telling about you.

        Parent teacher conferences don’t consist of the teacher listing the race, religion or ethnicity of the students I/my child hang out with, nor is there a specific mandate for them to do so.

        You made up this scenario and are arguing against it. That’s weird.

        Are they? Or maybe they’re just minding their own business when it comes to matters that don’t involve education or risky/harmful behavior.

        If a kid has cancer should the nurses not tell the parents? Is transitioning not a very hard emotionally and mentally situation to be in? pre-transition, the suicide rate attempt is over 40%, how would you feel if your kid attempted suicide and you couldn’t help because the teacher kept it a secret?

        Why would anyone in their right mind want to work with someone who refers to them as a “servant”

        LOL, I say public servant, and the fact you try to pervert my argument and equate it with ‘servant’ is dishonest and disgusting. Every individual employed by the government is supposed to serve the tax payers.

        You complain about ‘forced government institutions’ yet in the next breath demand they be the sole conduit into your child’s life.

        I didn’t complain it’s a forced government institution, I said what it was. I don’t demand I be the sole conduit, I demand that the teachers tell me what my kids are up to during their forced institutionalization. I know it may be odd that someone paying for the school, paying for the new gym, property taxes teachers salaries and their supplies might want to know how my kids are doing, but I think the governments job should always include transparency to those that they are serving.

        What do any of these things have to do with a person determining their own identity just as every other autonomous human has done for millennia?

        You said that kids have autonomy. 13 year olds should be able to buy cigarettes, booze, get tattoos, right? Is there a reason we don’t allow them to?