Teachers will be forced to tell parents that their child is questioning their gender even if the young person objects under new guidance for schools in England, the equalities minister has indicated.

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    You sound like exactly the kind of parent teachers should avoid sharing any information with. You claim to be against abuse but you want to force teachers to share information that is well known to result in kids being abused by their parents.

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      You sound like exactly the kind of parent teachers should avoid sharing any information with.

      That’s the problem. You think the government employees should be the ones making decisions on behalf of the kids. They shouldn’t.

      You claim to be against abuse but you want to force teachers to share information that is well known to result in kids being abused by their parents.

      If teachers suspect abuse, they are legally obligated to report it.

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        You think the government employees should be the ones making decisions on behalf of the kids.

        There is so much wrong with that statement.

        First, teachers make decisions on behalf of kids all the time. It’s literally their job.

        Noting that they’re government employees just sounds like an anti-government dog whistle.

        Saying they’re making a decision “on behalf of kids” is wrong because the law only matters when teachers see a conflict of interest between the parents and kids. They’re being forced to act AGAINST the kids on behalf of unsupportive parents.

        Finally, this isn’t just a matter of judgment. We know for a fact that some alarmingly large percentage of parents will disown our otherwise abuse their kids after finding out they’re LBGT+. This law is specifically designed to endanger those kids, and no amount of bloviating about the property role of government will change that fact.

        If teachers suspect abuse, they are legally obligated to report it.

        They can only report it after it’s too late to prevent it, and they’re being forced to create the conditions that precipitate it. Are you really gonna argue that dealing with abuse after the fact is even remotely as good as preventing it in the first place?

        Also, in a lot of cases you’re asking teachers to permanently damage the kids’ relationship with their parents. They’re not gonna get their families back when they become adults

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          First, teachers make decisions on behalf of kids all the time. It’s literally their job.

          No, their job is to teach the basics that we as a local society would like. They are funded by local tax payers to serve tax payers.

          Noting that they’re government employees just sounds like an anti-government dog whistle.

          Noting that they’re government employees puts into perspective that these are people that should be serving the people, not establishing a government culture in our youth. In principle, there’s little difference between the government using elementary schools to shape the youth as the indian boarding schools. They’ve moved from teaching objective studies like math, english and science, with teaching about subjective topics like sexuality and gender.

          Meanwhile our kids test scores are getting worse compared to our peer countries, despite spending a shit ton more money. Then they tell us the reason is because we aren’t giving them enough money.

          Saying they’re making a decision “on behalf of kids” is wrong because the law only matters when teachers see a conflict of interest between the parents and kids. They’re being forced to act AGAINST the kids on behalf of unsupportive parents.

          You assume giving parents information about their kids school behavior is working against the kids, and also assuming the parents are unsupportive. What you’re asking is for governmeny employees to determine on behalf of the kids what’s better for them than their parents, and judging the morality of their parents based on incomplete information.

          You’re asking the teachers to raise the kids. That’s not their jobs.

          We know for a fact that some alarmingly large percentage of parents will disown our otherwise abuse their kids after finding out they’re LBGT+.

          And we should invest in programs to help the homeless youth.

          This law is specifically designed to endanger those kids

          We can’t protect everyone from everything their parents do. And shouldn’t leave it up to government employees to make the determination of withholding information about a kids behavior at a place that the government forces parents to send their kids to at the threat of taking the kids away.

          Have teachers teach and invest in programs that help the youth whose parents aren’t caring for them. Just like we say that cops have too many issues that they aren’t experts on that we call them for, teachers are being given too much responsibility for issues they aren’t experts in.