A true patriot supports local spyware!
Please log my IP address. This is a house that loves Managed Democracytm
Please log my IP address.
127.0.0.1Checkmate. We’re watching you.
lol I started DDoSing this losers IP address, good op sec dumba
holdon i have connection issues
laughs in ipv6-only network
Find me now!
Haha you’re wrong! My IP address is actually 192.168.2.1
democracy officers would be proud
I guess your world is only black and white ay?
They are being sarcastic.
Hahahahahah
I don’t discriminate. I say the data protection of all of these services is terrible and you shouldn’t use them.
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Yeah I remember when TikTok was first getting popular in the States, and some reverse engineer I followed on Twitter posted his findings about it, and it was honestly pretty terrifying. Like unfettered access to your device, regardless of permissions granted, and remote code execution capabilities kind of terrifying. I don’t think Spotify does that lmao
This mean android permissions don’t work and a Google should be hold accountable also
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Sure, here are some sources:
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/tiktok-data-app-report/story?id=97913249
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Nothing beats Instagram, Facebook, Google, Microsoft or Twitter in spyware. Have you heard of the Snowden revelations? These companies provide all their data to US spies.
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23andMe is much, much worse than the others due to the nature of the data it sells.
Also, you don’t actually need to share your own data to be vulnerable. Some stupid relative sharing their genetic information is enough to have some ideas about you. I’m fortunate that it’s hasn’t caught on in my home country.
I feel like caring about heritage in this way is a pretty North-American (or maybe immigrant country in general) thing in the first place
My family won’t like the fact they’re not pure. Best not to kick that hornet’s nest.
How do you mean?
I consider your personal genetic data to be a much more dangerous thing to sell, at least in the long term, compared to browser history.
Even if the corporation that holds onto the genetic data isn’t selling it for profit (which I doubt), they still likely have terrible security on their servers. How many data breaches have there been over the years?
I think it’s arguable. You can control thought with algorithms and feed addictions with browsing history. Both are still dangerous if abused.
Oh right. I forgot what 23&me was
This forced sale of TikTok for national security is a farce because they were already forced to move their service to the US on an American-owned hosting provider, and they have already put people with a history of aligning with “American interests” into executive positions, like CEO Shou Zi Chew and vice president Michael Beckerman. I think the US “intelligence community” already has everything it needs to monitor and control TikTok.
I have a geoIP alias on my firewall and can still see TikTok sending telemetry to a Chinese CDN.
If so, then maybe the US “intelligence community” doesn’t actually see that as a problem, despite the cold war propaganda.
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Anglo in the sense of the Anglosphere, I think: Five Eyes. Five Eyes in basically the inner core of the imperial core.
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It doesn’t matter where the servers are located physically but who can access the data that’s on them
They were physically relocated to the US so that the US can access the data, as people like Edward Snowden and Mark Klein have shown us. I’m sure the US knows precisely what data is and isn’t being sent to China.
I would say make laws about data collection, usage, etc. instead of banning TikTok.
Heck, fix more important problems like income disparity, hunger, homelessness, healthcare, our wasteful spending, so many things more important and yet we’re wasting time on TikTok.
I don’t think people think this is a good use of time.
Seriously, it’s government overreach and ignoring freedom of speech, etc.
We can agree that there is at least a slight difference in having your own (or a friendly nation’s) Government tracking you, versus allowing a competing nation to have direct access to over half of the adult US population (as per their recent push-notification stunt), as well as a robust collection of their interests and preferences.
There is a reason China has banned most US-based software in the mainland (Meta, Google, etc.); in favour of self-developed alternatives. This is just treatment in kind; it’s not an outright ban, rather a forced sale to prevent more of that user data falling into dubious hands.
I’m not really ok with that type of anti other country behavior in (edit to add the word: almost) any case. Heck, I want cheap Chinese EV options in the US too.
Make government (and other) tracking opt-out-able by law. That is the law we need. Not this bs version.
This current bill literally sounds like it’s written by American companies to squash a foreign competition. You know Facebook, YouTube, etc. are biting at the teeth for more users (and ad revenue) of short form content; especially if TikTok users scattered to other platforms.
Once again: give users the freedom to chose what they want. This is a government overreach.
Yes, there is a difference. Having your own government spy on you is way worse because it has the monopoly on violence over you. No one protects you from that. But your government will (try to) protect you from foreign influences.
There is a reason for the outrage when PRISM came out of the closet.
But your government will (try to) protect you from foreign influences.
Oh, like stopping a forogn government from influencing people through a popular app. huh. Good point.
Yes, my point is in this scenario there is a heavy hitter (government) on your site, which makes it a better sutuation than to let your government just prey on you.
Although I would put this under the “try to” category. In my opinion it’s way better to regulate methods rather than names. Then again I would not know how to implement this thought in this scenario.
But your government will (try to) protect you from foreign influences That’s what this is, though.
Take a step back and consider for a moment the absolute mayhem TikTok was able to cause through one single push notification to their US user base (>170m, over half the adult population). That is not a power that should be wielded lightly, and definitely not one in the hands of a foreign adversary ready, willing and capable of weaponising it at their whim.
Think of the power that affords them to put their finger on the scale when it comes to the critical upcoming Presidential election, not just directly - but through slight manipulations of the algorithm to engage one political cohort and disenfranchise another.
My point was that there is some institution on your site of that standoff. This will not be the case if you have to fight against your own government. So it’s better to have to fight a foreign government, rather than one’s own.
TikTok is a dangerous influence, yes. I wasn’t trying to argue against that. But then, so are Facebook, YouTube, Reddit, Twitter and similar social media. Maybe even all social media.
Other than fighting with shortsighted regulations I don’t know how one would fight such an influence other than widespread education of the people. But that would make them more resilient against any propaganda.
because it has the monopoly on violence over you
I’ve been hearing this one going for a while, where does it come from? Sounds like a corpofascist slogan.
Probably a bad translation from German. Maybe a better translation would be “force” instead of “violence”. It means only the police is allowed to use force.
Still can’t understand the point of it. Like, is the state ordering that civilians must be defenseless in the face of crime, for example? But yeah in general it just sounds like the usual “I am the Senate” fascist kind of takeover and control of power.
It means pretty much that, I would say. The reasoning is that in the case of a conflict you have to solve it by involving police and advocacies ( I think this is the right word ). The senate is only involved in setting the ground rules for the conflict in front of a judge.
Of course, there is stuff like self defense (so one is not completely defenseless), but anything like revenge is heavily pursued.
There is a reason China has banned most US-based software in the mainland
I’m not at all saying what the USA is doing is right, but I find it hilarious Beijing is upset about it.
“It’s only OK when we do it!!!”
How come every thread I see about this topic, there is nobody who is concerned about letting the federal government dictate which apps you can and cannot use to communicate with other people? This is some 1984 shit.
Because it isn’t new nor special.
Apps are a Service and services have been and are regulated for decades now and the system have been always arbitrary as fuck.
In the case of TikTok, the west, as a military alliance, should be concerned due to the nature of current valid Chinese laws and the implications of it.
And e.g. facebook has proven that they don’t like to stick to rules about how to handle data. In case of TikTok, this could easily have bigger implications for e.g. the American military.
Well, you can expect China doing the same. This kind of behaviour triggers retalliation.
You might look into the apps they have already banned.
They were blocking the bulk of the internet via their great firewall before mobile apps were even a thing
US companies != US federal government
US federal gov already got their hand in companies ass.
reverse order
At first I thought you were being serious, but I think this is a joke? That Americans don’t care how many companies spy on them as long as it’s not the government?
Which, is laughable because of course the government has contacts at everyone one of these companies and they’d gladly hand over your data then go to court to protect it
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This is sort of true, though it’s hard to make a clear distinction between US capitalists and the US government when the capitalists control the government, and have since the 1776 bourgeois revolution.
China is a proletarian state, where the capitalist class is not in control: China’s housing minister says real estate developers must go bankrupt if necessary
Whereas the US is a bourgeois state, where the capitalist class is in control.
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It should be a known fact at this point that US companies share all the data the goverment wants, i don’t think the greater influence matters in this case.
All of the US corporate social media platforms are part of the US military-industrial-intellegence complex. Look at their boards of directors and executives. Look at the Twitter Files. Look Hamilton 68.
Look at Reddit:
- Facebook Partners With Hawkish Atlantic Council, a NATO Lobby Group, to “Protect Democracy”
- Jessica Ashooh: The taming of Reddit and the National Security State Plant tabbed to do it
- A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China
- r/neoliberal was created by a neoliberal think tank » BPR Interviews: The Neoliberal Project
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They have their eye on the fediverse now as well: Atlantic Council » Collective Security in a Federated World
You’re also misunderstanding. I won’t deny that US companies seek profit wherever they can, even from unethical sources. I also don’t doubt their involvement with law enforcement and intelligence agencies. But a company seeking profit through a partnership with the United States federal government is not the same as the totalitarian Chinese government requiring oversight of Chinese companies.
It might not seem like a big difference to you, but it’s an important one to me.
If you find it upsetting that the Chinese state imposes its will on the Chinese capitalist class, then you must really like capitalism, where the capitalist class imposes its will on the state.
Ever heard about CLOUD act?
Chinese companies != Chin…wait.
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Spottily is a Swedish company
Sweden is not an adversary of the United States.
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Op is just thanking the wrong country.
Came here to say this
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Isn’t spotify European?
No, owned by Meta aka Facebook
Well actually IS mostly owned by europe entitities and individual shareholders. Only the founders and some europe capital mamooths had +50% of it
This meme is a bit dishonest because its about Chinese government harvesting this data not about companies harvesting it. Both are bad but ones substantially worse.
Yeah, if China wants the data of Americans they should buy it from American companies, not harvest it themselves.
They’re not mad about leaking data, they’re mad that China is drinking their milkshake.
American companies have way more power over my life than the Chinese government
The bill actually addresses any foreign adversary.
Wtf is Spotify doing?
Gathering and selling your data.
So much data to infer from your music tastes. Listening to music about breakup? You had a breakup yourself. Listening to classical music? You’re a top earner. Listening to Eminem? You like mom’s spaghetti.
I stopped using it as soon as I ordered a takeout of my data and saw they saved my unfinished searches even after I deleted them
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Selling to who?
the service serves ads, anything that will serve ads will also typically create a profile on users preference to then have targetted ads.
Still it’s not American but swedish
Spying on user data is a constitutional right of US companies, what are the poor going to live on when they can’t traffic with your data, or when a disgusting red communist company steals their bread? A little more proper patriotism, guys. Bad enough that the EU is cutting the wings of this companies, therefore also don’t use EU apps to make America great again.
I don’t think 23andme and TikTok are even comparable to the rest of the list.
