Obvious examples of Central Intelligence Agency covert action abroad are difficult to identify today, save for occasional acknowledged calamities, such as the long-running $1 billion effort to overthrow the government of Syria, via funding, training and arming barbarous jihadist groups.
  • Ieatcrayons@sh.itjust.works
    40·
    1 year ago

    Oh fuck off mate. Only Russia is to blame for the Russo-Ukrainian war.

    Russia invaded Ukraine, not the other way around.

    This is the equivalent of a child pointing at a sibling and saying “they made me do it”

    • Tosti@feddit.nl
      15·
      1 year ago

      Thanks you for saying what a lot of others think. I would not engage the tankie any further.

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
      2·
      1 year ago

      The only child here is the one who’s ignoring all history that led up to the conflict and pretending the west had no role to play.

      • ֆᎮ⊰◜◟⋎◞◝⊱ֆᎮ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        14·
        1 year ago

        It’s incredible how you constantly try remove any agency the people of Ukraine have. I was there for Euromaidan. I know exactly what we’ve been fighting for.

        On the flip side to play devil’s advocate for a moment, even if we were to take this at face value that makes the actions of Russia toddler level bullshit. “Oh noes the evil west uwu, I have to murder tens of thousands of people now. Look what they made me do, uwu”…

        Путин, пошёл на хуй

      • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
        6·
        1 year ago

        You’re using an incredibly naive, reductive, and highly cropped version of history if you really think that. Or, you’re arguing in bad faith. Tankies often try to pull the latter, but it’s pretty easy to spot.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
          2·
          1 year ago

          I’m literally the opposite by focusing on the history that led up to the conflict and the role that west played in creating the conditions for it. The incredibly naive, reductive, and highly cropped version of history is the claim that Russia just decided to invade Ukraine out of the blue and nothing could’ve been done to avoid that. The fact that you’re a grown ass adult using the word tankie says everything I need to know about you though.

          • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
            2·
            1 year ago

            You’re scoping the relevant historical interval to begin at 1917. I’m scoping the relevant historical interval to begin at 482. You’re taking a highly targeted and very obviously biased view of the situation.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
              2·
              1 year ago

              You’re scoping the historical interval before anything resembling Ukraine existed, and that has zero relation to the current geopolitical conflict between US and Russia where Ukraine is being used as a proxy. Somehow, you think that’s a coherent point you’ve made.

                  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
                    0·
                    1 year ago

                    Don’t be so dismissive; it goes even deeper:

                    A massive prehistoric settlement has been uncovered in the Ukraine consisting of a large temple, human-like figurines, and animal remains, which dates back to around 4,000 BCE.

                    Researchers have noted that there are indications that the inhabitants of these settlements would burn the entire village every 60 to 80 years and then build on top of the ruins. There is no explanation for this practice, but one location … has as many as thirteen levels of foundations that were built upon.

                    How do you know it wasn’t the Russians what did it?

    • Sleepless One@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      If you’re looking for a comparison child sibling fights, a much more apt one would be your sibling putting their fingers millimeters from your face going “I’m not touching you” for an hour straight. Then the prick runs and tattles to mom the second you respond by hitting them.