Making excuses for the unvaccinated is no different than promoting antivax misinformation. Dressing it up as empathy to make it more palatable to your political leanings doesn’t change anything meaningful about what you’re saying. Unless a (non-crackpot) doctor tells you not to get vaccinated you should be vaccinated. Full stop. There is no amount of social pressure that you should allow to make medical decisions for you.
That’s the kind of vague, self righteous platitude people give when they don’t have an actual response. Assuming you’re not some antivax dipshit I guarantee you’ve said something exactly like the final sentence of my last post in the previous four years. Yet here you are saying it’s fine for people to not get vaccinated as long as they have someone else to blame that choice on. Sure, you’re not framing it exactly that way but of course you wouldn’t, that would be stupid and you’re not stupid, right? You’re just making an emotional appeal and hoping it’s convincing enough to make people forget that there aren’t supposed to be exceptions to the vaccine mandate for people with sufficiently annoying relatives.
If all it takes for you to abandon your convictions is someone agreeing with you in a way that you don’t completely approve of then you don’t have a sincerely held belief, you have a socially conditioned emotional response. But I already know you don’t care about being logically consistent enough to actually think about what I’m saying. You got the bad feeling from what I said. I wasn’t being perfectly inclusive. I didn’t check the right mental boxes to get past the NiceGuy™ filter in your head. You can think of one extreme example that maybe doesn’t quite allow for an absolute statement to be made on vaccination therefore I must be wrong, even though saying so would require contradicting yourself.
Let’s shut it down there and get out of here, this guy is just an asshole, right? Right…
There’s a big difference between choosing to not get vaccinated and being coerced into it.
Defending her is not defending the unvaccinated; it’s acknowledging that she was a victim of abuse and that abuse has extreme psychological effects that you clearly don’t truly understand.
Being a victim of any sort of abuse does not remove your free will. I know it makes you feel like you’re being understanding by justifying whatever choices they make but that only sounds nice on a surface level. You’re dehumanizing these people by saying they have no control over their own lives and reducing them to side characters in someone more powerful’s story. That’s not empathy or nuance or whatever else you want to call it. It’s enabling abusive people by perpetuating the idea that victims of abuse aren’t strong enough to oppose them. I doubt these people would appreciate you remembering their lives in such a reductive and impotent way.
That is certainly a naive oversimplification of the concept of free will.
It’s funny that you think you can assume how abuse victims would feel, considering it’s quite obvious that you either 1.) haven’t bothered to educated yourself about the psychology of abuse on even a basic level, or 2.) you did, but just decided you know better than the mental health professionals who have spent years studying the topic.
Either way… it’s clear that continuing this particular discussion with you is a waste of time, at least for now.
That’s all you managed to communicate just now. It’s impressive that you can be so smug without saying anything besides alluding to some vague “psychology of abuse”.
If you’re not getting into specifics that kind of comment doesn’t make you sound well read it makes you sound like the “do your own research” antivaxxers discussed elsewhere in the thread. I’m not sure why you’d bother with a low effort retort like that. You’re certainly not required to participate in the discussion any further but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re dropping some knowledge bomb on the uneducated by bowing out in such a fashion. It’s lazy and overdone.
Making excuses for the unvaccinated is no different than promoting antivax misinformation. Dressing it up as empathy to make it more palatable to your political leanings doesn’t change anything meaningful about what you’re saying. Unless a (non-crackpot) doctor tells you not to get vaccinated you should be vaccinated. Full stop. There is no amount of social pressure that you should allow to make medical decisions for you.
That’s great dude. Come back to the discussion when you’ve got an inkling of life experience and understand how people and operate.
That’s the kind of vague, self righteous platitude people give when they don’t have an actual response. Assuming you’re not some antivax dipshit I guarantee you’ve said something exactly like the final sentence of my last post in the previous four years. Yet here you are saying it’s fine for people to not get vaccinated as long as they have someone else to blame that choice on. Sure, you’re not framing it exactly that way but of course you wouldn’t, that would be stupid and you’re not stupid, right? You’re just making an emotional appeal and hoping it’s convincing enough to make people forget that there aren’t supposed to be exceptions to the vaccine mandate for people with sufficiently annoying relatives.
If all it takes for you to abandon your convictions is someone agreeing with you in a way that you don’t completely approve of then you don’t have a sincerely held belief, you have a socially conditioned emotional response. But I already know you don’t care about being logically consistent enough to actually think about what I’m saying. You got the bad feeling from what I said. I wasn’t being perfectly inclusive. I didn’t check the right mental boxes to get past the NiceGuy™ filter in your head. You can think of one extreme example that maybe doesn’t quite allow for an absolute statement to be made on vaccination therefore I must be wrong, even though saying so would require contradicting yourself.
Let’s shut it down there and get out of here, this guy is just an asshole, right? Right…
There’s a big difference between choosing to not get vaccinated and being coerced into it.
Defending her is not defending the unvaccinated; it’s acknowledging that she was a victim of abuse and that abuse has extreme psychological effects that you clearly don’t truly understand.
Being a victim of any sort of abuse does not remove your free will. I know it makes you feel like you’re being understanding by justifying whatever choices they make but that only sounds nice on a surface level. You’re dehumanizing these people by saying they have no control over their own lives and reducing them to side characters in someone more powerful’s story. That’s not empathy or nuance or whatever else you want to call it. It’s enabling abusive people by perpetuating the idea that victims of abuse aren’t strong enough to oppose them. I doubt these people would appreciate you remembering their lives in such a reductive and impotent way.
That is certainly a naive oversimplification of the concept of free will.
It’s funny that you think you can assume how abuse victims would feel, considering it’s quite obvious that you either 1.) haven’t bothered to educated yourself about the psychology of abuse on even a basic level, or 2.) you did, but just decided you know better than the mental health professionals who have spent years studying the topic.
Either way… it’s clear that continuing this particular discussion with you is a waste of time, at least for now.
That’s all you managed to communicate just now. It’s impressive that you can be so smug without saying anything besides alluding to some vague “psychology of abuse”.
If you’re not getting into specifics that kind of comment doesn’t make you sound well read it makes you sound like the “do your own research” antivaxxers discussed elsewhere in the thread. I’m not sure why you’d bother with a low effort retort like that. You’re certainly not required to participate in the discussion any further but don’t delude yourself into thinking you’re dropping some knowledge bomb on the uneducated by bowing out in such a fashion. It’s lazy and overdone.