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The secret Nazi moon base will be getting Nuclear Communist neighbours
New iron sky movie is looking good!
Eastern Front 2: Nazis On The Moon
Which part of this is not-the-onion-y? Building stuff on the moon might give us a good jumping off point for solar system exploration, and having a power source there would help construction. Is it that it’s Russia and China doing it?
Is it that it’s Russia and China doing it?
I mean…
If I were writing a fictional story about world domination by ruthless politicking, overthrowing foreign governments, and assassinating key opposition figures around the globe without an effective concern for local populations, it would be about the US.
But if I were writing one where the first step to world domination was an advanced moon base… pretty much gonna be Russia or China.
Yeah, ok, I can kinda see it
So we either go capitalist cyberpunk or 40k grimdark? How do we unlock the star trek option?
FWIW the first one is pretty much actual US Imperialism.
Unfortunately for Star Trek we need to go through the Bell Riots first.
The Bell Riots were of such significance that their absence from Earth’s history led to an alternate timeline, in which the United Federation of Planets was never created.
Why would china need help from russia
Because Russia has still a pretty good way of sending rockets to space. The bigger question would be, why you want to do this? And 2nd how would you cool this with no water on the moon
Some types of nuclear power don’t work like what you are probably imagining.
Its more of a hockey puck of hot plutonium and a thermocouple, rather than a nuclear power plant on earth.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator
Doubt it. RTGs are great for a deep space probe, but too limited to support a base.
Probably more like:
Good point. Regardless, it will not be like a nuclear plant on earth.
Insightful, thanks !
The article specifically mentions that they don’t know how to solve the cooling problem yet. That’s what’s cool about these types of projects though, they force innovation that can potentially be used elsewhere.
Big radiators?
Filled with water from where?
There are a lot of seas on the Moon after all.
Earth, I assume. Could also be solid metal or filled with liquid sodium or something if it needs to circulate.
Sounds pretty costly to bring all that up
But yeah, solid metal as heat transfer could work. Still how to drive a turbine?Could you skip the turbine and slap a bunch of peltier elements on the reactor?
Probably not super efficient, what with the vacuum of space being bad at absorbing hear, and if I recall right peltier produces more power the larger heat gradient.
As I see it, three possibilities rise above the others:
- Russia is dusting off and refining plans that the Soviet Union made decades ago, and will claim it as a “huge innovation” or something like that, despite being a concept from the 70s or 80s that just never got off the ground for one reason or another. This could conceivably be done well under the right circumstances, but based on the incredible amount of manufacturing and production issues Russia is having as a direct result of Ukraine War sanctions, it might be that they can’t actually do anything without China’s help, because the highly specialized western equipment they’d normally use is no longer being sold to them, so they need a replacement supplier.
- Russia’s last moon mission went tits up fairly publicly, so Roscosmos is probably thinking they can avoid getting egg on their face if they can persuade China to unify their lunar base ambitions with their own. Note that this ignores the fact that China almost certainly wants to build a moon base entirely on their own, both as a matter of national pride, as well as the fact that they want to fully own any knowledge and expertise gained from such a mission.
- Putin is trying to entice CCP leadership to more closely align themselves with Russia in a geopolitical sense, as a more unified adversary to the west, which these days they both see as an implacable foe that they want to defeat. To me, this is the angle that would make the most sense in terms of convincing CCP leadership… but at the same time, remember that China is absolutely measuring Putin’s back for a knife at this point, because Russia’s got a shitload of natural resources up in Siberia that the Chinese would LOVE to exploit.
Uranium and materials probably. The only rockets that Russia can build are the ones that blow up.
In other news, chernobyl in space
Honestly it really needed a sequel
Chernobyl 2: Electric Boogaloo?
tbf when your family life is on the line you can do a lot of creative stuff. lol
For what? Who’s going to use that power?
The lunar night is 14 days long. During this time you don’t get any sunlight for generating solar power. If you want a permanent base in the moon you need a continuous power source. Oh and also to power that mass driver they’re going to use to threaten the entire world with destruction.
Permanent base? Are we already capable to build such things on the moon?
A lot of people believe we can, yes. However there are a few technologies that still need to be developed, such as a reliable power source that can work during a long lunar night
- solar won’t work, because night is too long
- RTGs can’t scale up enough to power a base
- Fission reactors as we have them so far generally rely on a liquid coolant and a lot of maintenance attention
- Even assuming we’ll be able to mine ice, it’s not something we can rely on to power a base, and we haven’t yet figured out how
So, if we can develop a small fission reactor that never needs any attention, can work in lower gravity, no atmosphere, huge range of temperatures , and doesn’t have anything that can leak, boil, or freeze, that would be perfect
My personal favourite is orbital solar. With no atmosphere, it should be doable. But of course it’s just as hypothetical as all the other options at this point.
How do we get all the materials and tools for the constructions up there to begin with? And how do we supply the base with Oxygen, food, water, etc?
Sure, there’s lots of questions needed to be answered
- transportation is in progress. Everyone must have heard about Artemis andStarShip: one or both are planned to get you there, plus I believe SpaceX has a contract for a lander
- maybe you heard the excitement over discovering ice. With sufficient power, the hope is they can make their own water, oxygen, rocket fuel
- there have been quite a few experiments in ISS with growing plants. Hopefully they can grow at least some of their own
A theme park with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the blackjack. And the theme park
good luck
