• fubo@lemmy.world
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    They complain about political correctness, and they go and do shit like this.

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      When the flip flopper in chief, Mitt Romney, is your only hope, or anyone named Cheney, we’ve got massive problems.

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        Not that I disagree with you.

        But even as a staunch Euro leftist, I think it is okay that there are people I strongly disagree with, even strongly dislike because I think the fight for values that are against my personal morality.

        Both Romney and Cheney are such people.
        I don’t think they should have political power over other people.

        But they share at least a certain common ground with me that the fascists don’t.
        And for how little I actually like those people, I still value this very difference.

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    This is a blatant first amendment violation. Another pro-gamer move from the free speech party.

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      Devils advocate here, in some places, deliberately using the wrong pronouns with the intention to harm someone would be hate speech.

      So flip it around, using the preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child and/or their shitty parents.

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        Hate speech is protected by the First Amendment, so flip it around, inclusive speech is also protected by the First Amendment. I’m sure teachers can lose their jobs for hate speech but people cannot be criminally charged for hate speech alone. Prosecuting teachers as sex offenders for using pronouns is a clear and deliberate violation of their Constitutional rights.

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            Legally, you cannot be criminally charged. They will not protect you from the consequences of your speech coming from private parties, whatever those are. You can increase the number or severity of charges for crimes if they are even partially motivated by prejudice towards specific groups, hate speech may be evidence of that motivation.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States

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            Hate crimes and hate speech are two different, but related, things, so I understand your confusion. You cannot be prosecuted for hate speech, because that is a government infringement on your liberties. They can prosecute you if the hate speech intentionally incites violence, because that is not protected speech. The hate speech can also inform intent to turn another crime into a hate crime.

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            Also, hate speech is still separate from threatening violence or other harm. I can freely hate you, but I can’t advocate to hurt you.

            I think I have that right.

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            Calling someone the N word (hate speech) won’t get you arrested.

            Calling someone the N word while you attack them (hate crime) will.

            Under this context, yes you would be prosecuted for “hate speech” because the criminal activity here is the speech itself. Under any other circumstances you would be allowed to say whatever you like. There are always consequences to your actions, they’re just not always criminal consequences.

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              Calling someone the nword is almost always going to make them feel unsafe, which makes it an assault, am I right?

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                Making someone feel unsafe is not assault. Words can compel people to act but they themselves are responsible for their actions.

                That being said, there is a concept of fighting words in the USA. Scroll down to the section titled Post-Chaplinsky, there’s information about the courts’ rulings applying to personal insults.

                Honestly I need to take time to read this wikipedia article a little more thoroughly but I’m on my way out the door. I am not a lawyer I just find law interesting.

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        preferred pronouns is considered an attack on the child

        If the child doesn’t want to be called that it’s not their preferred pronoun.

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    I really can’t comprehend the level of hate that these motherfuckers must possess to write or support such a bill. I mean, let’s say you’re an incredible asshole who doesn’t think that trans people exist, like you think that you know who they are much better than they actually know themselves. Even with that as a baseline, isn’t it still just the polite thing to treat them with basic respect?

    If I found out that someone I just met preferred to use their middle name instead of their first name, I would 100% use that person’s middle name when addressing them. It’s just common courtesy. The same thing goes with a person who’s transitioning - I will use their preferred name, because I’m not a completely deplorable piece of shit.

    But this guy is way worse than someone who intentionally antagonizes people by using their disliked name when addressing them. This guy wants to actively punish anybody who has the rock bottom bare minimum of civility by destroying their lives and livelihoods.

    I just can’t grasp that level of hatred. How is it that this piece of shit shares enough genes with everybody else that he’s recognized as human?

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    As a practical result this is more of an attack on education than an attack on LGBT, who would want to be a teacher under such tyrannical rules?

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    How is anyone supposed to know anyone else’s pronouns without asking them?

    Are the teachers supposed to check the genitals of their students at the beginning of the year?

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      I feel like that’s what the right wants. They’re weirdly interested in that

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      If you never speak about that individual, you won’t need to know their pronouns. If they quit the backbiting and remembered the golden rule, they wouldn’t need to “use pronouns” but then they wouldn’t even be Republicans anymore.

      These politicians love to create “problems to solve” instead of finding solutions to real problems we have.

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        Lesson learned always use the wrong pronouns randomly so you don’t have to worry about it, who cares. Let’s everyone get together try to love one another right now!

        Or just avoid using pronouns altogether lol, I believe they works for any pronoun

        They their they’re

        Our your we us them

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    study to be a teacher in Missouri
    teach full time for $30,000/year or something
    become a sex offender, obviously can’t teach anymore
    can’t actually find a job at all
    forced to live in a designated trailer park for pedophiles
    become a lifelong welfare recipient

    nice one, conservatives

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    Don’t like your teacher? Just flip your pronouns real quick and get them on the sex offender list. Problem solved.

    Fuck this bullshit

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      What do you mean? Would a kid lie about their sex? Why mental health issues? Abuse? Clout? Trolling? What about if they are just confused? They would not become sex offender or foind guilty of anything for an honest mistake

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    Okay. Everyone is a they/them. No binary gender for anyone. Hedge your bets and play it right down the middle.

    Problem solved