I don’t read very much US news. A bit of WP and occasionally CNN, but it’s certainly not where I get my news from. I don’t live in the US FWIW.
You still haven’t answered my question: Do you believe that the US press and the Chinese press is both lying to the same extent? Do you believe the US and Chinese press are in service of the state to the same extent?
I’m not disputing the press is influenced in the US. You keep speaking in absolutes though … I’m speaking about degrees. So let’s compare degrees, instead of saying “influenced” or “free” as some absolute binary measures.
If you live in the west then exact same dynamics apply. The media is owned by the oligarchs, and much of the media in all the western sphere is dominated by US.
And to answer your question it’s clear to anybody who follows news that US press lies to a far greater extent. The whole notion that privately owned press in the hands of the oligarchs is somehow more objective than government owned press has no basis in logic or reality.
I’m also not speaking in any absolutes, I’m simply telling you that objectively speaking there is plenty of evidence that western press regularly engages in outright misinformation and lies. Chinese press has a bias, because any press has a bias, but I’ve yet to see it spread conspiracy theories like Russiagate. This is a perfect example of a huge misinformation campaign orchestrated by western media that has been thoroughly debunked, yet large portion of western public still believes it and regurgitates it today. That’s just one example.
We must live in two different worlds. If your view is that the Chinese media is more objective than the US media, I simply don’t think we have a basis for finding any consensus. I no longer know what to say. Have a good day and wish you the best.
I get that it’s hard for people in the west to see the brainwashing they’re exposed to because you swim in it since the day you’re born, it becomes the natural medium. However, for somebody who grew out outside the west this is very transparent. I grew up in USSR, and then my family eventually moved to the west after the collapse. I was absolutely shocked to see the nonsense people believed about USSR. People who never set foot in USSR would argue with me about my lived experience as if they knew better. This is the strength of western propaganda machine.
You can find people who are unhappy in every human society, that’s not the gotcha you seem to think it is. The question is whether a society is able to provide a decent life for the majority of the people. Given the horrors we are seeing after the collapse of USSR, I think the answer to which system is better is pretty clear.
Ah yes, because there have been no genocides under capitalism. Turns out Jewish people aren’t above doing a little genocide of their own once they get in charge either as we see in Israel. So, maybe don’t make an idiotic argument blaming communism for something that has absolutely fuck all to do with communism.
First of all big ole whataboutismw. On context we are discussing what Soviets did. We can have a separate conversation re: capitalism, which I’m sure we’d hugley align.
Second, I am very much anti Israel for exactly those reason, free Palestine ✊ but it’s your second whataboutism…
Third, Soviet Russia literally killed gay people, Jews, etc. Hell they liberated Jews from camps only to send them to the gulag.
I don’t read very much US news. A bit of WP and occasionally CNN, but it’s certainly not where I get my news from. I don’t live in the US FWIW.
You still haven’t answered my question: Do you believe that the US press and the Chinese press is both lying to the same extent? Do you believe the US and Chinese press are in service of the state to the same extent?
I’m not disputing the press is influenced in the US. You keep speaking in absolutes though … I’m speaking about degrees. So let’s compare degrees, instead of saying “influenced” or “free” as some absolute binary measures.
If you live in the west then exact same dynamics apply. The media is owned by the oligarchs, and much of the media in all the western sphere is dominated by US.
And to answer your question it’s clear to anybody who follows news that US press lies to a far greater extent. The whole notion that privately owned press in the hands of the oligarchs is somehow more objective than government owned press has no basis in logic or reality.
I’m also not speaking in any absolutes, I’m simply telling you that objectively speaking there is plenty of evidence that western press regularly engages in outright misinformation and lies. Chinese press has a bias, because any press has a bias, but I’ve yet to see it spread conspiracy theories like Russiagate. This is a perfect example of a huge misinformation campaign orchestrated by western media that has been thoroughly debunked, yet large portion of western public still believes it and regurgitates it today. That’s just one example.
We must live in two different worlds. If your view is that the Chinese media is more objective than the US media, I simply don’t think we have a basis for finding any consensus. I no longer know what to say. Have a good day and wish you the best.
I get that it’s hard for people in the west to see the brainwashing they’re exposed to because you swim in it since the day you’re born, it becomes the natural medium. However, for somebody who grew out outside the west this is very transparent. I grew up in USSR, and then my family eventually moved to the west after the collapse. I was absolutely shocked to see the nonsense people believed about USSR. People who never set foot in USSR would argue with me about my lived experience as if they knew better. This is the strength of western propaganda machine.
I’m pretty sure I’ve told you this before but not all of us that grew up in the USSR had the same experiences as you did. Mine were far less positive.
“Nationalistic bubbles” exist both ways.
You can find people who are unhappy in every human society, that’s not the gotcha you seem to think it is. The question is whether a society is able to provide a decent life for the majority of the people. Given the horrors we are seeing after the collapse of USSR, I think the answer to which system is better is pretty clear.
My family were killed by the Communists (and the Nazis for that mater) for being Jewish so that’s a big “nah bro I think I’ll pass” from me.
Ah yes, because there have been no genocides under capitalism. Turns out Jewish people aren’t above doing a little genocide of their own once they get in charge either as we see in Israel. So, maybe don’t make an idiotic argument blaming communism for something that has absolutely fuck all to do with communism.
First of all big ole whataboutismw. On context we are discussing what Soviets did. We can have a separate conversation re: capitalism, which I’m sure we’d hugley align.
Second, I am very much anti Israel for exactly those reason, free Palestine ✊ but it’s your second whataboutism…
Third, Soviet Russia literally killed gay people, Jews, etc. Hell they liberated Jews from camps only to send them to the gulag.
Stalin literally made homosexuality illegal.