I’m against regulations that get between parties and enforce terms onto voluntary agreement. Why is it the position of government to tell me what products I should and shouldn’t want to buy? If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer” when it ignores the demands of literally any consumers who have different preferences than you? What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries? Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard.
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer”
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers. As of right now, most portable electronics have a built in expiration date. Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
It’s the same reason why we have any regulations against anti-consumer practices. It’s because these practices often rely on deceptive practices and consumers ignorance. In this case, the consumers are not informed that the device they are buying is built to expire after a few years.
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
You’re aware that not every personal preference has to be enforced by law, correct? You can express your preferences without calling for any form of government action whatsoever.
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers
No, it benefits some consumers. I, for one, very much would not benefit from this. Batteries replaceable to the standard the EU wants absolutely have downsides, primarily concerning space, meaning either larger devices, or smaller batteries, and in some cases, likely both. For example, if you open up a modern iPhone, you’ll find that the battery takes up every nook and cranny it could be fit into. And the phones still maintain a slim design. That shit is basically outright impossible to make under this standard of idiot-serviceability. And because I’m perfectly fine with having to use big scary tools like a soldering iron and heat gun, I have exactly zero problems with buying devices that would require them for service, especially so considering the benefits.
Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
Which doesn’t fucking impact me at all. I’m not a less knowledgeable consumer. So why should I be stuck playing by rules for their benefit?
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device
USB c isn’t some pinnacle of design. You seriously find it unthinkable that any cable could ever be superior in any way? And I already covered downsides to the idiot-servicable batteries.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
More examples of regulations isn’t an argument for further regulations because law is not inherently self justifying.
Lol says apple simp. See how that’s not actually a counter argument see how you actually have to explain your points in order for them to be valid and see how you failed to do so because every single point you come up with lacks evidence.
You have said that it is impossible to make efficient batteries that a user replaceable, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is the case. Phones have historically had use of replaceable batteries for years it’s been fine. Manufacturers just realized they could force people to buy new phones more easily if they didn’t make the batteries replaceable, it’s got nothing to do with efficiency, and everything to do with anti-consumer capitalism.
Try not talking like this, you’ll have more meaningful interactions in your everyday life which aren’t immediately hostile to everyone actually engaging with you, resulting in mutually beneficial discussions rather than the arguments you’re clearly constantly looking for.
If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn’t work because there’s no alternative product to purchase. Manufacturers know they have consumers in monopoly so they have no reason to change.
What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries?
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it’s also about the environment. Constantly having to throw old charges away because their incompatible with new products produces an enormous amount of e-waste, everyone using the same charger reduces it, which is only a good thing. Also the Apple charger which is what I’m assuming you’re going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard. I think we can all agree that manufacturers should use safer options when they become available.
Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
If a product has a feature you don’t care about, why do you care, just don’t use it and you’re fine.
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn’t work because there’s no alternative product to purchase
There are plenty of products with removable batteries. Not my problem if you don’t want them. You’re objectively incorrect in saying no alternative products are available.
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it’s also about the environment
Cool, don’t give a damn
Also the Apple charger which is what I’m assuming you’re going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard
I’m talking more generally about any cable anywhere with superior elements to usb c. But yeah, the lightning port apple made was a massive improvement over micro USB, the standard at the time for everyone else, and is still a significantly more durable charger port than usb c given its external connectors.
I have plenty of issues with apple, but they’re a perfect example of making good products that don’t conform to these crappy legal standards.
If a product has a feature you don’t care about, why do you care, just don’t use it and you’re fine
You understand the irony in saying this given that you’re of the position that the government should force your preferred features into products regardless, no? I care because I’m stuck with all the downsides of features you want, and companies are literally prohibited from selling me other options.
Genuinely curious why you are against pro consumer legislation?
I’m against regulations that get between parties and enforce terms onto voluntary agreement. Why is it the position of government to tell me what products I should and shouldn’t want to buy? If you want shit with removable batteries, cool, go out and make your demands heard. But why should your demands be pushed onto everyone else as “pro-consumer” when it ignores the demands of literally any consumers who have different preferences than you? What about the consumer that doesn’t give a fuck about usb-c or removable batteries? Why should they be made to buy products designed around standards that aren’t important to them?
They have. That’s why the regulators are making these laws.
It’s pro consumer because it benefits consumers. As of right now, most portable electronics have a built in expiration date. Most people lack the skills to replace a built-in battery and official stores rarely do replacements, so it’s down to a 3rd party shop which is difficult for less knowledgeable consumer to find.
It’s the same reason why we have any regulations against anti-consumer practices. It’s because these practices often rely on deceptive practices and consumers ignorance. In this case, the consumers are not informed that the device they are buying is built to expire after a few years.
I don’t see any argument you could make about usb-c or removable batteries hindering your usage of the device.
Most countries mandate that products come with a warranty. I haven’t heard anyone saying “what if I want to buy a product without a warranty?” Because why would you?
You’re aware that not every personal preference has to be enforced by law, correct? You can express your preferences without calling for any form of government action whatsoever.
No, it benefits some consumers. I, for one, very much would not benefit from this. Batteries replaceable to the standard the EU wants absolutely have downsides, primarily concerning space, meaning either larger devices, or smaller batteries, and in some cases, likely both. For example, if you open up a modern iPhone, you’ll find that the battery takes up every nook and cranny it could be fit into. And the phones still maintain a slim design. That shit is basically outright impossible to make under this standard of idiot-serviceability. And because I’m perfectly fine with having to use big scary tools like a soldering iron and heat gun, I have exactly zero problems with buying devices that would require them for service, especially so considering the benefits.
Which doesn’t fucking impact me at all. I’m not a less knowledgeable consumer. So why should I be stuck playing by rules for their benefit?
USB c isn’t some pinnacle of design. You seriously find it unthinkable that any cable could ever be superior in any way? And I already covered downsides to the idiot-servicable batteries.
More examples of regulations isn’t an argument for further regulations because law is not inherently self justifying.
Are you being paid to take every single bad take possible or what?
Lol says the big government simp
Lol says apple simp. See how that’s not actually a counter argument see how you actually have to explain your points in order for them to be valid and see how you failed to do so because every single point you come up with lacks evidence.
You have said that it is impossible to make efficient batteries that a user replaceable, but you have failed to demonstrate why this is the case. Phones have historically had use of replaceable batteries for years it’s been fine. Manufacturers just realized they could force people to buy new phones more easily if they didn’t make the batteries replaceable, it’s got nothing to do with efficiency, and everything to do with anti-consumer capitalism.
Your inability to read doesn’t qualify as a lack of argument on my part. Sorry dumbass.
Try not talking like this, you’ll have more meaningful interactions in your everyday life which aren’t immediately hostile to everyone actually engaging with you, resulting in mutually beneficial discussions rather than the arguments you’re clearly constantly looking for.
Good god you’ve missed the point haven’t you?
Because companies are not providing products with removable batteries so the consumers refusing to buy products with non-removable batteries doesn’t work because there’s no alternative product to purchase. Manufacturers know they have consumers in monopoly so they have no reason to change.
The USB c-thing is not just about user friendliness it’s also about the environment. Constantly having to throw old charges away because their incompatible with new products produces an enormous amount of e-waste, everyone using the same charger reduces it, which is only a good thing. Also the Apple charger which is what I’m assuming you’re going on about is actually less safe than the usb-c standard. I think we can all agree that manufacturers should use safer options when they become available.
If a product has a feature you don’t care about, why do you care, just don’t use it and you’re fine.
There are plenty of products with removable batteries. Not my problem if you don’t want them. You’re objectively incorrect in saying no alternative products are available.
Cool, don’t give a damn
I’m talking more generally about any cable anywhere with superior elements to usb c. But yeah, the lightning port apple made was a massive improvement over micro USB, the standard at the time for everyone else, and is still a significantly more durable charger port than usb c given its external connectors.
I have plenty of issues with apple, but they’re a perfect example of making good products that don’t conform to these crappy legal standards.
You understand the irony in saying this given that you’re of the position that the government should force your preferred features into products regardless, no? I care because I’m stuck with all the downsides of features you want, and companies are literally prohibited from selling me other options.
Products with non-removable batteries are bad for the environment in a number of ways. They hurt even the ones not interested in the product.
OK and?
And the ones getting hurt don’t want to.