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      The American obsession with Russians is a mental condition.

      70 years of red scare propaganda really did a number on you guys.

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        … and yeh here we are with hundreds of thousands dead and the blood just fucking pouring off Putin’s hands.

        weird.

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              Possibly. Your response regarding thinking Russia is problematic being a mental condition sounds like a mental condition, though.

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          I’m not saying Putin is a good guy, he obviously isn’t. I’m critiquing the fact that Americans can’t seem to take responsibility for their own fuckups.

          For instance: Trump is horrible, and he might do evil things with Putin. But then democrats keep framing it as if he’s Putin’s puppet. As if he, an American, can’t just be evil on his own terms. Russians must be pulling the strings, causing every shitty thing.

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            Trump is an idiot. Many people pull his strings, but Putin especially.

            Not sure what point you’re really trying to make.

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              You’re letting Trump get off easy by suggesting he’s being manipulated by someone else. He’s not an idiot, he knows exactly what he is doing.

              But the bigger point is this: Assange did something that benefitted Putin. That doesn’t mean he is Putin’s agent. Americans are so obsessed with Russia, they see it everywhere, which is just not true.

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                My friend, the evidence that Russia is wilding out and putting its shit out there all over the world is vast. I am not sure what to tell you if you can’t see that.

                The US fucks up all the time, badly, granted. Why are you continuously trying to obfuscate Russia’s shitty actions by talking about other countries?

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                  Of course, every country worth it’s salt is putting out propaganda, interfering with elections, and more.

                  But what I don’t agree with is that every time someone exposes the dark side of the U.S. (like people voting for Trump, or democrats being caught doing something shitty again), the default is to blame an external evil instead of acknowledging your own mistakes.

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      The trial is not due to the accusations you make, and for the record, there’s no law against being biased or not impartial.

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        True but they do have a point.

        Every time Lemmy discusses this, there are people going on about bias in journalism, as if that’s somehow relevant to how many human rights he should be allowed to have.

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        Assange got e-mails for both Republican and Democratic parties from a Russian hacker associated with the Kremlin and then specifically chose to withhold the Republican e-mails and release the Democratic e-mails. If he meant anything he said about transparency, he would have released everything, but that’s not what he or his employers wanted. They wanted their puppet president in Trump, and Assange was happy to help like the Russian asset he is.

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          You replied to a comment asking “source?” with an entire paragraph containing zero sources.

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          Why do people keep saying this? It doesn’t even make sense. Why would the Russians give Assange the RNC emails if they didn’t want them to be published? There is no evidence that I can find that the RNC emails were ever given to anyone.