That picture, what the hell.
“Enemy” - you mean normal civilians.
EDIT: Since I’m getting downvoted for no reason (not that it matters on here though):
I mean that they protest/ refuse to give aid towards normal civilians. Normal civilians are not their enemies. They had nothing to do with it, these normal people want to live. Just like everyone else.
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They are acting like every other group of people who was given special status. History is littered with the same cautionary tale. You cannot give any group of people special protections over another. It will always end in the group abusing their power for their own gain. Saddam did it in Iraq, Al-Assad did it in Syria, all of the colonial powers did it in Africa and those are just recent examples.
Certainly not all of them fit this bill, just like how not all Americans are vicious Trump supporting lunatics.
Israelis overwhelmingly support this “war”, though. Not to mention the Israeli right is growing, not shrinking.
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I need to stop reading stuff here. It’s just too dumb. Maybe blocking on the community level is the way to go. That’s how dumb your take is.
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What a stupid and historically blind take. Don’t make excuses for Nazism and especially don’t reduce the path to it to hunger.
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Sorry, but Germans didn’t turn into Nazis because oft the Depression. There was a lot that lead to to uprising of the Nazis. Read about the Peace of Versailles or in German “Schmach von Versailles”. Also political culture in the Weimarer Republic which was massively focused on raw violence between the different groups. Read about deflation. Read about Franz von Papen and so on. Don’t search for excuses for right wing extremism.
Saying the Israeli people is on the same page or worse than Hitler adds nothing to the conversation and is, at best, just wrong. Best regards, a German.
PS: Don’t stop criticising the acts of the Israeli government and definitely the IDF, but stop generalising and making all Jews responsible. Otherwise you could also say that all Palestinians are Hamas.
Can you refer to anything more specific? Your reading tips are so incredibly broad and would take hundreds of hours.
How good is the translation via Deepl or other tools? This should be a broad overview, but it’s German.
You could also try English Wikipedia for more background.
Otherwise I wanted to make the point that comparing the Jewish people to the Nazis is wrong and only ads more oil to the fire. Criticise Israeli government, IDF, violent settlers, stupid people blocking neccessary aid for Gaza but don’t fall in the antisemitism trap where Jewish people even in other countries are held responsible for the actions of a right wing government.
But Melkath never even mentioned jews. He specifically said Israelis throughout his post. And he pretty clearly compared the Israeli people to nazis, not what you said, which was comparing jewish people to nazis.
It feels like you’re doing exactly what the German government is doing, which is equating criticism of Israelis and of Israel to antisemitism.
He called the Israeli people ‘human trash’ (Isreal considers itself state of the Jews). And he meant all of the Israeli people. What do you think this rhetoric leads to?
And as I stated multiple times above I am all in on criticising the Israeli gevernment and no I am not doing exactly what the German government is doing. I would argue for a stopping of all delivery of arms via the the German government and for a ceasefire asap. I see a huge problem with the way the Israeli government walked into the trap planted by Hamas and is now part of a war which may be labeled as a genocide. So why should you call all of the Israeli people ‘human trash’ when you could specify your criticism? It’s the same as calling all Palestinians Hamas.
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Here is what struck me recently about the Israeli people.
They are genocidal because they are human trash. No other excuse.
Quite frankly, fuck you for the words you have tried to put in my mouth.
Nice discussion culture you are having here. Might mistake lemmy for reddit.
You missed, they get attacked almost daily.
Yes. And their big robust US built defense systems block virtually all of those attacks, leading to virtually zero casualties or property damage, as they perpetually use big robust US built weapons to pummel the Gaza strip daily, where they have no defense systems, where constant massive loss of life and infrastructure are endured.
Virtually zero is not only far from zero, it doesn’t excuse constant aggression.
Hamas’ incompetence isn’t a defense.
There is no excuse for genocide.
Stop advocating for genocide.
It’s not a genocide. It could easily be one given the technology difference. It’s clearly not one.
You are incorrect.
I disagree.
The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer.
“It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants and starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid, just like past genocides. But this one is different because it you object you’re automatically an anti-semite!”
Sure.
“It’s not a genocide, they’re just killing more civilians than combatants
Every war in history kills more civilians than combatants. Normally that ratio is about 6:1.
starving out the population by blocking humanitarian aid,
Hamas is attacking aid trucks that are let in and stealing the aid to resell. It’s not starving the population to stop aiding the people attacking you.
The amount of bullshit you spew on a regular basis is pretty impressive. Your comment history is like an Israeli propaganda primer. … Sure.
Back at you.
Right cuz 30,000 dead in 4 months is nothing. Did you think a genocide means every Palestinian is dead in 4 months? If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.
As it is, the vast majority of scholars and countries do recognize it as a genocide and even America, israels biggest supporter, is saying maybe they should stop the killing of innocent civilians.
If the pace of killing and bombing keeps up for another year, I could guarantee a million Palestinians would be dead. Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide. Seriously, give me a number.
Given the incompetence of the Hamas led defense, no 30k in 4 months is surprisingly low. Gaza is incredibly small and incredibly dense. They (the IDF) has to use incredibly modern munitions to airstrike single buildings and minimize collateral damage.
If the IDF went full Russia and simply WW2 artillery barraged Gaza similar to Bahkmut I’d expect 250k+ casualties.
If that happened, every country on earth would have declared war on israel two months ago and every israeli official would be in prison for crimes against humanity.
Unlikely.
Give me an exact number that israel has to reach before you admit it’s a genocide.
6:1 is the UN acceptable civilian to military casualty rate before they generally start investigating a conflict as a genocide. There’s an estimate 50k Hamas fighter in the Strip. That’s a theoretical headroom of 300k civilian casualties. That’s the number that would make me think it’s more than likely not a genocide.
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You’re that type of prick that thinks if someone steps on your grass, you should shoot em dead and rape their corpse, aren’t ya?
No you’re mistaken. The side you support raped and paraded the raped bodies through cheering crowds. The other side is trying to recover people who were taken as sex slaves in the original slave raid.
Removed for demonizing another people. But to be 100% clear here… Zionists aren’t genocidal because “they are human trash”. They are genocidal because they legitimately believe they are “God’s chosen people” and as such they have a right to expunge anyone not in their club.
I call bullshit and shenanigans. You’re telling me Israel’s police can’t clear a road for aid trucks to get through? This is weaponized incompetence writ large. Israel never wanted to open the crossing.
This same shit worked for the Azeri government for like a year until they finished their genocide.
The people chosen by god himself
Chosen to be selfish a-holes
You forgot our sons, daughters and friends were massacared and kidnapped by Hamas and even by regular civs. So be sure we would not want to feed the hand that bite us and teach their sons to hate and kill us. Hamas and other countries can care for them (but they prefer to leave their people and run away in their tunnels), we should care for ourselves and our hostages first, if you want the war to stop and for them to get their aid release the hostages first. Such a shame you try to paint it like that, yet we still aid them even though what I wrote. Be sure no other country would do the same.
You forgot you’re a colonizer
Yes, colonizer… same useless words. You are just antisemite. Israel has existed since 3000 years ago as the home/kingdom of the jewish ppl. Ofc we could live in peace if the palestinians didn’t terror us. Most of the world propaganda will always be against us. After what happend don’t expect us to be moral to those terrorists.
To be called an antisemite by someone who applauds the genocide of 20k children is an honor. Rot in shit
When did u see that I applauded that? But don’t expect us to give them flowers neither. You are just hatred in your comments while I told you what really happens here.
Keep faking numbers taken from terror organization. Believe all their lies.
What about our children? Our ppl? Hostages still there, the people which were killed, raped, I personally know a pregnant woman which was killed and her belly cut open. You don’t care. I care.
If you want you can join Hamas and their cause next time to impose your fake morality, be a “liberator” by taking drugs and stealing money from the palestinians, leave them in shithole and praise the death and war by killing us. But then don’t complain when we attack back, ok?
Those aren’t fake numbers by a terrorist organization, and the fact you are parroting easily disproved lies shows how ignorant you choose to be, especially when israeli officials agree with the death toll
You demand sympathy from the world while defending a genocide. You don’t have my sympathy, you don’t have an excuse to support genocide, and your hypocrisy is disgusting.
You should do DNA test, check if your ancestors came from eastern europe or not.
I am not white. Do you think all jews came from eu 😂 (after being exiled from Israel 2000 years ago)? Jews dna is unique and dates back 2000 yrs ago when we were living in Israel.
Ah yes, 2000 years ago gives you all the rights. Thank you for telling me. And where is the proof that only the Jews were living on this land and not a single Palestinian? And are you 100% sure that your predecessors were indeed born there and not somewhere else or that you are a pure Jew, as I have very big suspicions.
And even if this is true does this give you the right to oppress Palestinians.
You know the US was mostly populated by Indians and no white man was living there, can indigenous people start massacring Americans and get a pass just because their predecessors were born on this land?
Opress? No, they even come and work here. This is we defend ourselves from terror across all those years. Yes I know practically no one is owner to a land, in the beginning of the history there was nothing and we all came from Africa. So? We can live with the palestinians in peace if they would not terror us and we could trust them. We even gave them Gaza in 2003 (hitnatkut) single sided and look what we got? Ongoing missiles and terror attacks from gaza till now.
Jews dna is unique and dates back 2000 yrs ago when we were living in Israel.
Do you realize this is typical of any closely related ethnic group? I have unique sequences in my DNA that link me back to my father’s ethnic group as they came from a fairly small island. My wife, on the other hand, lacks many distinguishing markers as her ancestors lived in an area where people frequently bred with people from other regions.
Only the Ashkenazi can be grouped with any surety. Otherwise, Jewish heritage is amongst the harder ethnic groups to genetically differentiate, specifically due to a scarcity of unique markers. That’s neither a good nor a bad thing, it’s just pretty typical. If you think your statement suggests exceptionality in any way, it just shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.
It’s telling of your lack of character that you hide behind claims of antisemitism.
You and those like you are absolutely the worst kind of people. Not Jews, but colonizing subhuman scum that hides behind lies of persecution as they systematically persecute and kill men, women, and children for their land and resources.
Did you know that if you go back far enough nearly every race is a colonizer?
Did you know it you go back far enough, rape and murder was acceptable because there was no society? Go back even farther and we brachiated and ate carrion. What’s my point? There is no point, it’s a bad argument.
They’re actively colonizing now. It was wrong before and it’s wrong now.
You forgot our sons, daughters and friends were massacared and kidnapped by Hamas
You forgot their sons, daughters, and friends were massacred by Israel. Even as Israel snuck unmarked suitcases of cash to the group responsible. Their lives so brutal they struggle to live to the ripe old age of 30. But yeah it must be hard for you. Those victims aren’t going to blame themselves. And you sure aren’t actually going to blame those responsible.
Yup, you are right. No other country would be as barbaric as you are
north korea, syria, russia, yemen, darfur, china do u want me to continue? We are not barbaric by any means, we still give gazans humanitarian aid and check before hitting targets for civs. You just impose ur fake moral standards while we defend ourselves, talk with me when you will be at grave war. Let’s see if you will handle 240 ppl kidnapped from their homes and 3000 massacared ppl in a day better.
Yup, all countries would handle it better than killing 29000 civillians in cold blood.
Just gave you real world examples you chose to ignore
Yes, israel is just as bad as those other countries.
92% of the fatalities in Gaza are civilians. You do realize you’re on the Internet, right? You can verify what you’re discussing instead of just repeating the comforting propaganda you’ve chosen to believe. Just remember that propaganda doesn’t change reality. You’re a country of murderers and supporters of murder.
Even israel doesn’t claim 3000 israeli civilians killed on oct 7th. You’re just lying to lie.
You say israel gives aid, on a post about israelis blocking aid. Yeah ok.
And you’re right, you are checking for civilians. AND THAT’S WORSE because that means you KNOW you’re killing dozens of civilians but don’t care if you can kill one Hamas terrorist. Spare us the pity party while you actively defend genocide.
By starving millions of them, displacing them, killing them and destroying their homes, bringing them to the edge.
Good job, Israel, you definitely know how to make friends for life!
And on another note, look at you, you are a far right supporter, you generalise all the Palestinians so please do not expect any better from them. If you think you have been through hell, think of their lives since the 7th of October. I bet your life has been much more comfortable than theirs. So if you hate them, don’t expect them to love you.
And I really hope you** realise how hypocritical in this case you are?
I am not far right supporter, actually im centrist, and 95% of the israelis will tell you what I wrote here. You just don’t live here, think you understand what really happens from a distant pov.
I don’t have to live in israel to know that over 30,000 Palestinian civilians (about half of them children) have been murdered, millions kicked out of their homes and displaced, and their infrastructure, homes, schools, hospitals, electric grid, Internet, and way of life has been (and is still being) bombed into nothing. I know 90% of Palestinians are living in a food shortage, with half of those in severe food and water shortage at serious risk of starvation, with almost all aid being blocked by israel. There is now not a single part of Palestine that is a safe zone for israel’s bombing, which has been going for four months of nonstop destruction surpassing the force of several nuclear bombs. I know disease is rampant, stillborn births are increasing, as they have no way to maintain hygiene or provide medical intervention with nearly everything being leveled including their hospitals.
And I know just a couple miles away, israelis are living life as normal. Going to concerts, parties, eating and drinking. No one is worried about israel being wiped off the map, or overrun, or destroyed because, apart from Oct 7th and some homemade Hamas rockets that have been mostly intercepted, no one in israel is being impacted by the ‘war’
Former IDF soldiers talking about how brutal they have been to Palestinians, former israeli hostages complimenting their captors on their kindness, over 70 years of well documented apartheid, being able to see everything firsthand through social media, the multiple times israeli government officials have publicly supported wiping Palestine off the map, and being caught in obvious lies, all of that is more than enough for me and dozens of countries and millions of people come to the same conclusion.
israel is committing a genocide. It may have been hard to see at first, but as the bodies of the innocent pile up and the hostility of israel continues past any excuse of self defense, you cannot deny it unless you also want Palestine gone or have listened exclusively to israeli propaganda.
