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      Hamas is a proscribed terrorist organization, under international sanctions. Nobody expects them to bow to UN pressure.

      Israel is supposedly a responsible and law abiding nation state, with diplomatic ties, international recognition, and is expected to behave according to international law.

      If you want equal treatment that can be done, the UN is repeatedly tired of Israel’s behavior

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          Weird how the Israeli forces suddenly started finding all of these connections between UNWRA and Hamas hours after the ICJ ruled against them. Also weird that the IDF claims that anything set up to help Palestinian civilians, like UNWRA, hospitals, and refugee camps, are Hamas strongholds, but no one can ever verify these claims (usually because they been obliterated by Israeli air strikes).

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              LOL, you are claiming the U.N. is in league with Hamas my guy, please get some perspective.

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                You can talk to the Wall Street Journal. They think the same thing. But, you can’t even accept what your eyes see on video.

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                  Well, I can’t read most of the WSJ’s coverage because it’s behind a pay wall, but it’s anything like the AP or Reuters coverage, it’s going to say that these claims are only being made by the Israeli military and not independently verified (the opening paragraph of the WSJ coverage seems to line up with this). The AP even notes, “It did not prove definitively that Hamas militants operated in the tunnels underneath the UNWRA facility, but it did show that at least a portion of the tunnel ran underneath the facility’s courtyard.” So, did the IDF show that Hamas was working with UNWRA, or did they show some journalists a tunnel near UNWRA building?

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          Ah yes, an Israeli “AI expert” is really a reliable source of information in this conflict.

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          Multiple cuts to the video, no verification it is a UNRWA building, nothing linking the tunnel to the UN building is shown. Just talk

          Do better, don’t swallow propaganda willfully

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              Yes. I’m denying the pathetic ‘evidence’ you tried to insert into the discussion, because it functionally proves nothing:

              • A tunnel entrance, then the video cuts
              • Now we’re in a tunnel, looking at computers racks and screens. And another video cut
              • Now we’re in a BUILDING! Ooooh how’d they get into the building? Hmmmm that’d seem like some actual proof if they showed how the tunnel and building were linked! Too bad they don’t show that part, I wonder why not? 🤔
              • Ohhh now he’s saying things. “Omg look at the wires, they’re cut! Only eeeevil people cut wires, they must be hiding something” DAMNING PROOF, we clearly need to disband UNRWA immediately

              You keep offering these low effort drive-by claims, and reply with cheap arguments or retorts when challenged. There’s plenty that Al-Quassam and Hamas have done wrong, without inventing false narratives that lack evidence.

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                  I am sensing some denial here. I’m sure they just accidentally added cuts to the video, surely they wouldn’t try to mislead people by fabricating evidence.

                  Why has there been zero independent verification if the IDF proof is so clear cut?

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                  offers dubious evidence

                  “Oh, so now you’re just deny deny deny, huh?! So typical!”

                  And the other option is…blind belief in unfounded claims? Here’s a suggestion: back up your claim. Don’t just chant “denial denial denial” like it’s actually an argument.

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          I mean yeah that’s how international conventions work. There’s not really a thing of “international law”, just a bunch of countries that have all agreed to abide by restrictions. If a country chooses not to follow an “international law”, all you can do is try to coerce them or invade.

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      Does anyone here actually consider Hamas anything other than a terrorist organization that got voted in in 2007 and then shut down election?

      Did anyone here actually believe that Hamas were ever the good guys?

      We used to think the Israelis weren’t on the same page, and we hope that they will eventually.

      As much as we hate them right now, most of us still believe that they might be able to come back.

      TLDR: False equivalency

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        I hate that election talking point. Hamas didn’t even win a majority — they won a plurality against split opposition with Fatah plagued by corruption scandals — and 65% the population was under 25 when this war started (so like unborn or not past third grade in 2007).

        Probably pretty safe to assume 80% or so of current Gazans didn’t vote for Hamas.