I mean, yeah. His lawyer talked him into accepting a no contest plea deal. He accepted guilt even though he did nothing. He’s black, and they didn’t they could win.
All of that says nothing about the woman or how we should treat possible victims, and everything about how broken our ‘justice’ system is, especially for minorities.
If you want to get something fixed, focus on that, not on possibly silencing real rape victims.
I think it’s because what you’ve said makes it so the implication is that they’re probably lying. How isn’t that obvious? You do understand the context for the current situation we find ourselves, in which people are saying believe victims, right?
Better question: which do you think is more common? Dudes being wrongly punished for rape or rapists walking the streets because of how brutal it is for ladies to come forth with “accusations”? The answer to that directly highlights why people might feel the need to say we should believe rape/sexual assault victims.
Seriously, like 1 in 4 (or 5) ladies has been sexually assaulted or raped, what do you think the number for dudes that have been wrongly accused of rape?
Seriously, like 1 in 4 (or 5) ladies has been sexually assaulted or raped, what do you think the number for dudes that have been wrongly accused of rape?
Irrelevant. Blackstone’s ratio: It is better for the guilty to walk free than for one innocent to suffer. If it applies to murder, it also applies to rape. Rape isn’t worse than murder, I hope we agree there.
Especially in the context of the US’s excuse for a justice system which most of this seems to be rooted in that age-old principle doesn’t even begin to apply, with people getting coerced into plea deals, worse, “you’re black noone will believe you”.
To go ahead in such a situation and say “but think about the women he didn’t rape but others raped” is to bend the narrative to justify the US’ reneging on fundamental principles of justice, with the race angle involved it’s even worse.
Also, side note: Sexual assault isn’t rape, but combining both looks like a convenient way to pad statistics. A gal grabbing my crotch or slapping my butt is sexual assault never have I filed a criminal complaint… and neither get men asked such questions in polls.
Women are raped at a high rate, and often when they come forward they are defacto treated as if they’re lying. At every step, quite often- not just during the trial. The “believe women” political push was about women’s testimonies being taken more seriously, because currenty everyone expects a much higher burden of truth from them, and thus most cases are dismissed. Of course, conservatives with antifeminist motives chose to scarecrow the movement as they’ve done with literally every feminist initiative.
On the other end, black folks- black men especially- are also subjected to a much higher burden of proof than white folks. Juries regularly find black men guilty of charges with little to no evidence past testimonials from the victim. That’s ultimately why this guy took the plea deal- he and his lawyers figured he couldn’t win a fair trial.
These are still both issues with not just our justice system, but our society as a whole, and both need to be addressed.
Yeah it’s not like the accused gets sentenced automatically. There’s due process. No it doesn’t always work. Surely we all know that by now.
The flip side is that not all accusations result in charges pressed and a trial. I think the victim has to want to press charges and testify. Or in other words, they must be willing to be put through that additional trauma. (They may not report the attack at all).
That’s all assuming the laws actually cover what happened as rape, or sexual assault, etc.
For every case of an accuser lying and the accused being falsely imprisoned there are many more cases where the victim sees no justice whatsoever, unfortunately.
For every case of an accuser lying and the accused being falsely imprisoned there are many more cases where the victim sees no justice whatsoever, unfortunately.
And on top of this for every victim who reports the assualt many more never report it. The statistics surrounding rape are so incredibly depressing
I feel the issue of false accusations is only brought up when it is a woman falsely accusing a man of rape. No other type of false accusation gets that much attention, it’s own Wikipedia page, multiple blogs, etc. etc.
I would like someone to make a study about how much false rape accusations are talked about on social media like Reddit, Lemmy, etc. in comparison to, for example, rape cases that never get any conviction. Or convictions for rape that got laughable sentences.
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That’s literally what it means already. It’s meant as a way to encourage victims to actually speak up. There’s still always a trial.
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English speakers broke the word literally anyway.
Literally!!
I didn’t say that’s literally what it says. I said it’s literally what it means.
Like if I say “eat my ass”, I didn’t literally invite you to nom on my bussy, I literally meant to insult you.
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God I hate people who say this. So cringe
Kinda wild how the trial failed this guy then.
I mean, yeah. His lawyer talked him into accepting a no contest plea deal. He accepted guilt even though he did nothing. He’s black, and they didn’t they could win.
All of that says nothing about the woman or how we should treat possible victims, and everything about how broken our ‘justice’ system is, especially for minorities.
If you want to get something fixed, focus on that, not on possibly silencing real rape victims.
How did trust but verify become silence…
I think it’s because what you’ve said makes it so the implication is that they’re probably lying. How isn’t that obvious? You do understand the context for the current situation we find ourselves, in which people are saying believe victims, right?
Better question: which do you think is more common? Dudes being wrongly punished for rape or rapists walking the streets because of how brutal it is for ladies to come forth with “accusations”? The answer to that directly highlights why people might feel the need to say we should believe rape/sexual assault victims.
Seriously, like 1 in 4 (or 5) ladies has been sexually assaulted or raped, what do you think the number for dudes that have been wrongly accused of rape?
I believe the statistic was somewhere about less than 0.7% of rape charges are lies.
And that is only of the rapes that are reported. The real number is even lower.
It is awful that it happens, but not nearly prominent enough to conclude a problem with the system.
Irrelevant. Blackstone’s ratio: It is better for the guilty to walk free than for one innocent to suffer. If it applies to murder, it also applies to rape. Rape isn’t worse than murder, I hope we agree there.
Especially in the context of the US’s excuse for a justice system which most of this seems to be rooted in that age-old principle doesn’t even begin to apply, with people getting coerced into plea deals, worse, “you’re black noone will believe you”.
To go ahead in such a situation and say “but think about the women he didn’t rape but others raped” is to bend the narrative to justify the US’ reneging on fundamental principles of justice, with the race angle involved it’s even worse.
Also, side note: Sexual assault isn’t rape, but combining both looks like a convenient way to pad statistics. A gal grabbing my crotch or slapping my butt is sexual assault never have I filed a criminal complaint… and neither get men asked such questions in polls.
The exact same problem is cropping up twice here.
Women are raped at a high rate, and often when they come forward they are defacto treated as if they’re lying. At every step, quite often- not just during the trial. The “believe women” political push was about women’s testimonies being taken more seriously, because currenty everyone expects a much higher burden of truth from them, and thus most cases are dismissed. Of course, conservatives with antifeminist motives chose to scarecrow the movement as they’ve done with literally every feminist initiative.
On the other end, black folks- black men especially- are also subjected to a much higher burden of proof than white folks. Juries regularly find black men guilty of charges with little to no evidence past testimonials from the victim. That’s ultimately why this guy took the plea deal- he and his lawyers figured he couldn’t win a fair trial.
These are still both issues with not just our justice system, but our society as a whole, and both need to be addressed.
Yeah it’s not like the accused gets sentenced automatically. There’s due process. No it doesn’t always work. Surely we all know that by now.
The flip side is that not all accusations result in charges pressed and a trial. I think the victim has to want to press charges and testify. Or in other words, they must be willing to be put through that additional trauma. (They may not report the attack at all).
That’s all assuming the laws actually cover what happened as rape, or sexual assault, etc.
For every case of an accuser lying and the accused being falsely imprisoned there are many more cases where the victim sees no justice whatsoever, unfortunately.
The victim isn’t the one to press charges. That is for the DA to decide.
They can sue for damages in civil court but the idea of civilians pressing charges is movie Mumbo jumbo.
And on top of this for every victim who reports the assualt many more never report it. The statistics surrounding rape are so incredibly depressing
I feel the issue of false accusations is only brought up when it is a woman falsely accusing a man of rape. No other type of false accusation gets that much attention, it’s own Wikipedia page, multiple blogs, etc. etc.
I would like someone to make a study about how much false rape accusations are talked about on social media like Reddit, Lemmy, etc. in comparison to, for example, rape cases that never get any conviction. Or convictions for rape that got laughable sentences.
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