Lemmy: “that is a fair point”

Reddit: “you fucking moron”

  • Darc@lemmy.world
    83·
    1 year ago

    platform bias is real, folks. i’ve had lots of the lemmy F’s since i’ve been here.

        • remotelove@lemmy.world
          22·
          1 year ago

          I made the mistake of poking my head into /c/communism the other day. If you have a constructive opinion about something, speak up and join the chat over there! You will soon learn that you are a fascist baby killer as well, regardless of who you actually are.

          It was a breath of fresh air, lemmie tell ya.

          • Darc@lemmy.world
            9·
            1 year ago

            Yep, that was one of the places. Well not /c/communism directly, more like /c/latestagecapitalism showed up on my feed, which is essentially the same thing. I responded to a post without looking at the community, saying (respectfully) that I thought a 70% tax is ridiculous for any demographic or socioeconomic status and I wondered how and why innovation happens in that kind of tax system, and I learned how many ways my family could die at their hands and how I’m the reason death and disease happen in the world. The mods removed the threats but I removed my comment to stop them from returning. I didn’t know it was the communism part 2 /c/.

            What’s worse is THEIR threats were being upvoted by the community and my respectful original comment and replies were being downvoted like crazy. It wasn’t just the commenters - the voters were complicit. I had ZERO upvotes other than my own. There isn’t a decent human over there if you’re not a communist. They want to kill you. They told me, in lots of ways.

        • nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml
          8·
          1 year ago

          I find your words of the utmost distaste. Does your mothers tongue slosh around as vacuously as your own?

  • RÅSS@feddit.uk
    55·
    1 year ago

    As a Reddit user who’s recently moved to Lemmy - that’s a fair point, you fucking moron

  • Downcount@lemmy.world
    45·
    1 year ago

    That’s quite a fair point.

    I think the reason behind that is that it’s a new place and people are shy in new environments. Not only they behave more cautious but they lurk more (which leads to more lurking by others).

    Did you get that you fucking moron?

    • U de Recife@discuss.tchncs.de
      6·
      1 year ago

      Yes, I’m a bit of a moron, but I still want to be fair. In every single community I read the same comment on and on again. It goes something like this:

      People in name_of_community are x.

      With its obvious variation

      name_of_community is y.

      That always sounds to me both strange and nonsensical. Every large set of beings is, obviously, large. We’re always sampling it from a very biased perspective. You may be unlucky in your interactions; or perhaps you’re more tactful; or you’ve connected in a very bad day; etc., etc., etc… So saying that name_of_community is y is just a Quixotian attack on a windmill.

      If that gets you high, elated, if it makes you feel better about yourself because you’re not like them, please go ahead and keep enjoying yourself. But also remember you’re riding an beaten old horse, wearing a rusty armor, and talking nonsense.

  • Plaid_Kaleidoscooe@lemmy.world
    45·
    1 year ago

    I hope Lemmy moves past this phase of directly measuring itself in every way, real and imagined, against Reddit. Doesn’t seem like a healthy way to start the community. We need our own identity if we ever hope for this to take hold.

    • PissinSelfNdriveway@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      1 year ago

      I think getting rid of the karma system would make a world of difference. Keep votes visible on comments and posts but no total tally. All it does is bring tons of bots to farm it, and the kind of people who obsess over fake internet points… Which are always miserable assholes that we don’t need. I’ve really been enjoying how laid back every has been on here in the few days I’ve been here. I still have no clue how a decent portion of it works but I like figuring it out and seeing everyone actually being pleasnt in the comments.

    • ClaretNBlue@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 year ago

      This.

      I guess its just natural to make comparisons between two similar products, but its something I’m sure will settle down over the coming months. I just hope that the community remains how it is and doesn’t become toxic in the way Reddir became after gaining the popularity.

  • paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works
    41·
    1 year ago

    I’m wondering if it’s the lurkers. Based on personal experience: I enjoyed Reddit from the sidelines for years–never made an account. Switch to Lemmy and few users means no conversation, so I figured I’d jump in. But it turns out I’m a pretty boring, literal, mild-mannered commenter. Nice, but no zing. I’m still kind of waiting for the banter.

    • jmanjones@lemmy.world
      16·
      1 year ago

      no zing doesn’t get the upvotes though!

      And that’s exactly what i want. So over the recycled, rehashed, reposted, or whatever that has become of almost every subreddit.

      can we go back to sharing information and solutions and it being at least kind of fun

      • cuntonabike@lemmy.world
        7·
        1 year ago

        A lot of the comments/ jokes were just recycled forced humour karma whoring, because people knew they’d get top content and a quadrillion upvotes for writing the same old shit over and over again

    • dmention7@lemm.ee
      13·
      1 year ago

      I feel this. It felt like anything I ever had to comment had been said a dozen times by the time I stumbled into a thread, so I rarely felt any need or desire to post on Reddit. Here, I almost feel obligated to, just to keep the threads going. Part of me is excited to see the activity keep picking up here, but part of me is enjoying actually feeling like my boring-ass comments are worth posting, and also knowing said lame comments aren’t going to get heaped with random snark. Feels like the medium size forums I used to frequent back in the 00s and early 10s.

    • lwuy9v5@lemmy.world
      8·
      1 year ago

      Good lord I can’t imagine having had browsed reddit without an account. The default subs were always so awful/toxic. It was nice having a curated list of hobby subs and cat pics and such

      • paysrenttobirds@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        1 year ago

        That’s how my husband did it, but he misses so much I don’t know if it’s culture but awareness? Eavesdropping? People watching? It was a lot of scrolling, but also a lot of things I wouldn’t have heard of any other way

    • Dempf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      1 year ago

      You’re not allowed to be mild mannered you idiot. Them’s the rules. Now engage me in ill intentioned banter. We will meet at dawn.

  • Phegan@lemmy.world
    39·
    1 year ago

    I am absolutely trying my best to be friendly, tolerant and open minded here on Lemmy to set the tone for a growing culture here

    • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
      10·
      1 year ago

      I don’t 100% agree with this posts point. If you said the Reddit comment in many of the subs you’d have the comment deleted for personal attacks. However, I do agree partially with the Lemmy one.

      I’m finding myself more willing to engage with differing views while robustly defending my own views and I’ll pepper my arguments with some swearing when appropriate.

      It’s a closer representation of my actual self. I’m a sweary, Northern Englishman irl but I’m fair and give peope a chance and will listen. So that’s how I behave here now.

      On Reddit I talked more like a polite AI bot with no opinion on anything lest I receive a suspension or get my comment deleted by an overzealous AutoModerator bot for “personal attack”.

      • GONADS125@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        I wish that type of in-person language use was more acceptable throughout the US… I’m from Jersey and while I can speak freely in that region and be received normally, everyone here in the Midwest is afraid of me and thinks I’m angry when I speak freely…

      • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
        9·
        1 year ago

        I avoid the debate because I don’t feel informed enough to have a valid opinion.

        However, it does concern me that in all the tussle over trans rights there are children in the middle being used as political footballs and many will be comitting suicide and hurting themselves because of what adults are saying in the halls of power across the world and in the newspapers.

        I also feel some empathy because of a recent guidance change in the UK that is very similar to the Section 28 Law of the 90s that made my life as a gay teen very, very miserable.

      • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        I think a community that welcomes bigots is unwelcoming to everyone else, and that tolerance is not a virtue that should be applied to all universally, but rather a quality that should be shared only with those that practice it themselves.

        Bigotry should not be tolerated.

        • VirtualAlias@reddthat.com
          2·
          1 year ago

          Then, with respect, you miss the point. It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society. It also might not be. It might be that there’s some space between wholesale admiration and reluctant tolerance that’s more appropriate for the population at large. Maybe not.

          Point is, if no one is talking about it, then this stuff never gets hashed out and you get fracturing, underground movements, resentment, distrust, and radicalization.

          Your post could be, not trying to strawman, like saying you only talk to people that agree with you. You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.

          Presumably, you aren’t going to “catch it” from them unless they change your mind or your convictions weren’t that solid in the first place.

          • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
            3·
            1 year ago

            It is possible that transgenderism is a net danger to society.

            It’s certain that bigotry is a danger to society. Trans people are no threat to society at all.

            You should talk to people you perceive to be bigots, misogynists, racists, and so on because they’re the only ones unconvinced.

            That doesn’t mean that everywhere has to platform them. If I want to talk to bigots, I can go to reddit, facebook, twitter, threads, 4chan, etc. Hell, even lemmy has exploding-heads. There’s no shortage of opportunities to talk to bigots. That doesn’t mean everywhere has to welcome them.

            • VirtualAlias@reddthat.com
              1·
              1 year ago

              I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere - Not on most of Reddit certainly, at least that’s my impression, not usually going around saying that kind of thing.

              And I agree that trans people aren’t a threat, in and of themselves. It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.

              • Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                I think the joke, if it was one, was that you can’t say “transgenderism is a danger to society,” much of anywhere

                I’ve seen that and worse on reddit, twitter and facebook. And definitely on 4chan and exploding-heads. Without having to look very hard.

                It’s everyone that’s using them as a rainbow political cudgel to whip up a moral panic that’s playing with fire.

                Conservatives have been screaming that trans people are groomers and using that as justification for introducing bathroom bills, banning books about gay and trans people, calling bomb threats in to hospitals and retailers, and openly calling for eradicating trans people. That’s what a moral panic looks like.

                Exactly what would you say constitutes a moral panic that’s happening in the opposite direction?

                • VirtualAlias@reddthat.com
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  When you make 60% of your headlines and magazine articles about the latest, brave, beautiful drag queen in (I believe) an effort to monetize resent-viewing on one side and hate-viewing on the other, you make a miniscule “community” famous. The famous have always been equal parts adored and hated, even killed sometimes.

                  I don’t think they asked to be the center of attention, but the other fights were so close to won that they weren’t driving enough engagement anymore, so further down the alphabet we go. Gay marriage was the last flash in the pan and now most Republicans support it. They didn’t lose. They weren’t forced. They came around. It took a while, but they did.

                  Which leads me to the moral panic of the other direction and that’s anything to do with religion, men’s issues, systemic racism… All blown to epic, apocalyptic proportions. The Proud Boys don’t run Hollywood or Disney or hospitals or social media platforms. They’re a handful of rednecks… In fact they’re not anything anymore, would be my guess.

                  The progressive, activist Left appears (to me) to be moral panic personified. Just another “join or die,” authoritarian ideology. Once upon a time, being gay might get you fired. Being a woman might prevent that promotion. Big business used to be afraid of the wrath of the Christian Right, but it’s swung in the other direction now and the progressive Left wields that power no more gracefully than the Bible-clutching WASPs did before them.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    21·
    1 year ago

    I am currently in the middle of a lengthy political argument with someone on c/politics, and we fundamentally disagree on things, but both of us are being cordial about it and I appreciate that.

    • Shardikprime@lemmy.world
      10·
      1 year ago

      I just came from politics and basically it has devolved into name calling and piss poor hypocrisy, salted with thinly veiled death threats. Feels like home

      • feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world
        5·
        1 year ago

        Reddit just became blocking, banning and censorship. I don’t care if somebody disagrees with me, the muting of dissent or debate or discourse or whatever was really sinister to me. People have different opinions, we shouldn’t be so quick to deny them freedom of speech.

    • CashewNut 🏴󠁢󠁥󠁧󠁿@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 year ago

      It’s how old-Reddit used to be. People didn’t over-use the downvote button to disagree. They went to the effort of commenting back to give counterpoints. Redditors became lazy and instead moved to posting unfunny puns and getting trigger happy with votes.

      With it discussion died or it became an echo-chamber.

      Even in subs where my politics aligned it became dull-as-ditchwater discussing anything because you’d just get people more extreme in an ideology considering themselves ‘right’ because they had more upvotes.

      • trainsaresexy@lemmy.world
        2·
        1 year ago

        I can’t quite figure out the purpose of the votes here and I think I just prefer to comment instead of giving an up/down.

        I think the up/down thing also promotes shorter comments, at least it did for me, since I know it can be hard to totally agree with someone who is making several points so I tried to keep it short and to the point. Which is dumb, because difficult topics are complex and deserve more words thrown at them not less.

        Maybe the utility of the votes for me is when I don’t know what I want to say in a reply, but I want to express something. Then I vote.

    • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      I got a bit heated there about something yesterday because I had irl stresses going on, and when I calmed down I went and edited my comment to make nicer and apologize for rudeness.

      To my surprise, the comment is clearly still upvoted, and the guy I was talking with told me not to sweat it. A few times now I’ve posted a controversial opinion and observed it, and always, it’s at mildly upvoted.

      Honestly this makes me wonder how much of the downvotes were from bots or paid shills.

    • Boldizzle@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      Yeah I managed to find that Reddit dude when arguing with someone. Either that or I was the Reddit dude … Damn …

  • Galluf@lemmy.world
    19·
    1 year ago

    That hasn’t been my experience.

    It’s still a very mixed reaction if you say something contrary to the dominant opinion.

    And still just as likely to get strawmanned if you disagree with an aspect, but still overall agree with the conclusion.

      • Galluf@lemmy.world
        7·
        1 year ago

        It’s not as of right now, but I wouldn’t say downvotes are the issue. The reality is that downvote = disagree no matter what rule you create that says it doesn’t.

        What I’m talking about are the insults, mischaracterizations, and general non productive discussion on comments that others don’t agree with.

        • Wollff@lemm.ee
          5·
          1 year ago

          That happens at times on the internet. I have to agree with the general impression though: I have only been here quite shortly, but the feel seems closer to “the reddit of olden days” for the general tone and feeling. Mostly a good thing.

  • NekoKamiGuru@ttrpg.network
    17·
    1 year ago

    The fediverse is far more open to the idea of being a “marketplace of ideas” .

    That is what Reddit was before Spez got greedy and abandoned the liberal ideas that made Reddit great when Aaron Swartz was around.

  • slush@discuss.tchncs.de
    16·
    1 year ago

    Lets test this…

    Abortion should be illegal because that would help population grow faster, leading to more cheap labor that would benefit everyone. It should also be illegal to be gay, because gay people cannot have children and all major companies need more workers. Gay people are also not as fun to joke with during lunch. Therefore having gay people in your company will decrease the productivity of your workers.

    What steps did you take today to prevent the spread of gay and abortions?

    • Aceticon@lemmy.world
      6·
      1 year ago

      Well, if a proportion of people are born gay, then more abortions will mathematically lead to fewer gays, so being anti-abortion is being pro-gay.

    • Galluf@lemmy.world
      3·
      1 year ago

      If you really want to test it, then you’ve got to post an opinion that disagrees with both of the two main dominant opinions and is a bit more complex rather than just staunchly for/against something.

      So say that you’re against abortion, except advocate strongly for it in the event of rape or mental disabilities. And say that you’re not against gay people, but against same sex marriage and gay people should just be celibate their whole lives.

      And if you really want to ruffle some feather, say that you don’t think pedophiles should be put in jail. Only child molesters/rapists should be jailed.

  • trouser_mouse@lemmy.world
    15·
    1 year ago

    I’ve encountered some rude people on Lemmy, but also a lot of people who love genuine discussion, helping others and want the best for the platform and communities.