• Jknaraa@lemmy.ml
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    Reproduction isn’t a luxury item. It’s a survival need. The only reason that it’s viewed as such in western society is because our economic system is all kinds of screwed up. People have been brainwashed to consider survival, as a society, in terms of our economic systems rather than in terms of the actual people.

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      Population growth can go too far, can’t it?

      Last I checked the world seems to be ending around us one day at a time as we march towards an ever higher global temperature, but if you want to say that’s normal and fine and we’re gonna be ok in 250 years then overpollution from overconsumption isn’t a problem yet.

      At what point does the earth become overpopulated? are we already there? if not… what’s the magic number?

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      We outsourced the need for reproduction to the periphery. But we’re also a deeply racially anxious nation, such that 1.4B Han Chinese and another 1.4B East Indians fundamentally terrifies us as some kind of threat to… idk, Aristotle and Elvis Western Culture? Like humanity as we know it will be irrevocably changed if we don’t live like our grandparents did in the 1950s, with all that that entails.

      People have been brainwashed to consider survival, as a society, in terms of our economic systems rather than in terms of the actual people.

      The thing that sticks in my brain and keeps me up at night is the idea that I’m going to die without a family, alone and abandoned, in a country that sees me as little more than a wad of cash it can squeeze dry and dispose of.

      The elderly in this country are just another kind of commodity - a pass through by which some sales shits running a call center in the San Fernando Valley get enough to cover their mortgage notes. I’d like a group of people around me as I get into my senior years who see me as another human being, and I get the sense that this is going away right alongside health care and education and housing.

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        Han Chinese

        You’ll have to forgive people for being cautious when presented with an ethnic supremacist state actively working towards global domination.

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          I feel like “The Han Chinese are naturally imperialist, taking over the world is in their blood” is the sort of shit I’d hear out of a Bond Villain from the 1960s.

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            Letts : You know the person who had the greatest positive impact on the environment on this planet? Genghis Khan, because he massacred forty million people. There was no one to farm the land. Forests grew back. Carbon was dragged out of the atmosphere. And had this monster not existed, there’d be another billion of us today, jostling for space on this dying planet.

            Utopia (tv series)

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      Survival need for species can be vastly different to that of individuals, like mantis’ sexual cannibalism.

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        Or humans being able to live well past their ability to bear children. It might not make sense for an individual to live that long, but it’s better for a species, since it means that you have members that aren’t having their own kids, but are capable of helping care for them while the parents do other things.

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        Not exactly the best example, since that’s not a typical behavior but a result of poor scientific practices. Mantises only take that action when extremely stressed, which is frankly a lesson we should be carefully considering.

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      Survival? I’m just waiting to die. I can’t afford to live and the world just keeps getting worse. Oh, and the clusterfuck of conditions I’d be passing on? Not something worth cursing another human with.