Many lists put Die Another Day last

  • Mechanismatic@lemmy.mlEnglish
    20·
    9 months ago

    Die Another Day was meh, but I really didn’t care for Skyfall and No Time to Die. The plots were too contingent on inorganic and out of character details. Q wouldn’t be stupid enough to plug a USB drive into an MI6 networked device found on a known hacker supervillain. The convenience of the targeted DNA nanobots just magically being declared to have no solution without anyone doing any testing of theories was unbelievable and just revealed the obvious “we need to kill Bond in this one so come up with a reason for him to die nobly” pitch meeting pitch. It ruined the suspension of disbelief entirely. I feel like they just tried too hard to keep upping the stakes and outdo themselves that it just got ridiculous.

    • purpleprophy@feddit.ukEnglish
      16·
      9 months ago

      What killed No Time to Die for me were the nanobots being declared unsolvable in the same movie that explicitly shows EMPs being used. I thought for sure that was a Chekhov’s gun being set up but no, just bad writing.

      • Mechanismatic@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        9 months ago

        EMP, MRI, or what about anti-nanobots? If you can program nanobots that kill people with particular DNA, couldn’t you program nanobots that target other nanobots? I would assume they hadn’t yet built in a self-defense protocol for the nanobots since they were cutting edge and not assumed to have any countermeasures yet. Anti-nanobots seem just as plausible as DNA targeting nanobots.

  • xyzzy@lemm.ee
    9·
    9 months ago

    I actually watched them all back to back a couple years ago and ranked them as I went. Here’s my complete list, from top to bottom:

    1. Casino Royale
    2. From Russia With Love
    3. Skyfall
    4. Goldfinger
    5. Dr. No
    6. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    7. Thunderball
    8. For Your Eyes Only
    9. The Spy Who Loved Me
    10. GoldenEye
    11. The Living Daylights
    12. Tomorrow Never Dies
    13. Spectre
    14. Quantum of Solace
    15. No Time to Die
    16. You Only Live Twice
    17. Octopussy
    18. License to Kill
    19. The World Is Not Enough
    20. Never Say Never Again
    21. Moonraker
    22. Die Another Day
    23. Diamonds Are Forever
    24. A View to a Kill
    25. The Man With the Golden Gun
    26. Live and Let Die
  • _ed@sopuli.xyzOP
    8·
    9 months ago

    I watched them all up to Spectre and would put View to a Kill at the bottom followed by Quantum of Solace.

    • Blackmist@feddit.ukEnglish
      5·
      9 months ago

      Yeah, that’s a good shout. VtaK is awful from top to bottom.

      Octopussy and Moonraker are in the mix too.

  • soli@infosec.pub
    8·
    9 months ago

    I was going to say “the one where he’s a rapist”, but weirdly that only narrows it down a bit. 🤮

  • GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world
    8·
    9 months ago

    Thunderball.

    It is the only Bond film I would call dull. It might just be that underwater fight scene at the end. But it doesn’t work for me.

    Say what you want about Moonraker and Die Another Day. I at least had fun watching them.

  • niktemadur@lemmy.world
    5·
    9 months ago

    One from each, excluding Lazenby (who happened to make my favorite) and non-canon (Never Say Never Again):

    Connery - Diamonds Are Forever
    Moore - A View To A Kill
    Dalton - License To Kill
    Dalton - Die Another Day
    Craig - (I’m about to commit sacrilege here!) Skyfall

    Overall top worst:
    Diamonds Are Forever - the tone change between On Her Majesty’s Secret Service and this is jarring to the extreme, the fake-hip dialogue stinks to high heaven (“forget it, Charlie! You had your chance and you blew it!”), the mafia types were obsolete, quaint and flat cinematic caricatures, a deficiency amplified exponentially when The Godfather came out just a few months later.
    Bonus negative points for an unfit and disinterested Connery, seemingly in constant self-amused form at how little effort he can get away with onscreen for a then record million-and-change dollar salary.

    BUT…! There is another one, so much worse, but mercifully non-canon: 1967’s spoof Casino Royale, with David Niven, Peter Sellers and Woody Allen. Oh my GOD is that thing unwatchably awful!

  • Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml
    5·
    9 months ago

    Haven’t quite watched them all yet but from the sizeable sample range that I have seen, A View to Kill would probably be the worst.

    Die Another Day was one of the silliest in more recent years (If you can still call that recent) but the ludicrous plot and stupidity of it didn’t detract from the enjoyment so I don’t think it would deserve to be at the bottom. It wouldn’t have occurred to me from watching it that it would be a popular candidate for worst Bond movie. I also really liked Brosnan as bond and probably because of my age, to me he is the archetypal bond with actors before and after being variations.

    • _ed@sopuli.xyzOP
      1·
      9 months ago

      To me watching them in sequence Die Another Day felt like a callback to the earlier Roger Moore (or even some Connery) Bond Movies. Tonally it was quite a shift from the previous couple of movies.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
    2·
    9 months ago

    The Brosnan ones were some of my least favorites. The Connery Bond films were campy and silly fun, but you didn’t need to take them seriously. The characters and gadgets were the fun parts. But then we get to the Brosnan ones and the FX wrap the needle past silly fun to just ridiculous, like the helicopter chopping its way down the street. I also found the pacing off and the sequences seemed really choppy, so it was just bad storytelling, too. Next least favorites were the Dalton/Moore films, but I quite enjoyed Walken as the villain.

    I’m mixed over the Craig Bond. I really like the refresh; the more serious tone, the more brutal face of these films. This Bond is much more cynical, unhappy, and troubled. Unfortunately the humor isn’t there anymore, and the introspective parts of the character can be helpful as much as they are unnecessary sometimes.

  • synae[he/him]@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    2·
    9 months ago

    I don’t have a full ranking personally, and I there’s some I haven’t seen, but the first thing that popped into my head when reading the question was quantum of solace