I don’t really believe in virtue signaling. It’s something the rightwing made up to say they’re offended without having to say they’re offended.
I do however believe in the practicalities of politics… And yes, sometimes a company is going to have a gay pride month logo everywhere but Saudi Arabia, but that’s a Nationalist problem of culture, not something progressives are causing.
…yet apparently progressives are to blame for most virtue signaling?
I don’t really believe in virtue signaling. It’s something the rightwing made up
No. Like so many things, it’s a real thing that right wing people twist into something it isn’t to fit their narrative or to excuse their own vices.
An example of virtue signaling would be to for example arbitrarily avoid using words that start with an n to showcase how virtuous you are.
An example of the right wing definition of virtue signaling is just…doing anything virtuous. Like when someone is legitimately doing or saying the right things for the right reasons, right wing troglodytes will call THAT virtue signaling.
Examples of real things are usually specific and real instances of those things actually occuring, I notice neither of your examples are (obe is the fiction comedy sketch, the other is just a general description you’ve written).
So I’m going to continue to doubt the existence of “virtue signaling”.
You want a genuine real world example? I’ll give you two.
Remember in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea? Actress AnnaLynne McCord reacted via a textbook virtue signaling poem about being Putin’s mom.
More recently, Nancy Pelosi reacted to all American women losing their constitutional right to bodily autonomy by reciting another poem that did not help anyone and then singing about how beautiful the country is on some stairs with the Washington Voices of Virtue (vote for us) Choir.
So people writing poetry to express themselves about issues they literally have no control over (No, Nancy Pelosi can’t overturn Supreme Court decisions) is virtue signaling? So virtue signaling is just any time someone expresses that they would prefer a different world? I mean, come on, that’s not virtue signaling. That’s just self expression.
Didn’t you say something about it being when you signal you want a virtuous act to happen rather than actually doing the act yourself? What’s Nancy Pelosi gonna do? Assassinate Clarence Thomas? What control is that model lady supposed to be neglecting that she has over Putin? You’re using this term to bitch about things you don’t like. This is just how I said conservatives use the term - to express that they’re offended without having to say they are.
P.S Saying goodbye in a conversation generally means the conversation is over, not that you’re gonna come back and complain that “the darn leftist women are doing poetry I don’t like”… Again, wowee we’re really going after the important topics in life.
A very real and common place example of virtue signaling, and what the term was originally meant to show, would be going to church and asking for god’s forgiveness on Sunday while being an absolute shit head the rest of the week. Now you see why right wingers co-opted and twisted it. It was originally meant to call out their bs, and they can’t be having that.
no, it isn’t. It is 100% intending to suggest that anyone saying anything about racism is just virtue signaling. That is what comedic caricatures are for. They mock behavior by exaggeration and over simplification in order to discredit a viewpoint or people.
You’re ascribing intent that is not at all evident in the video.
It’s a video of a silly person doing something more silly than most real people ever would, in order to promote how virtuous she is, which isn’t helping anyone. That’s all it is. That’s the caricature.
There’s no part of it that suggests that all mention of racism is virtue signaling. That’s YOUR thought. Whether or not you agree with it, that originated with YOU, not the video.
Whilst I do agree that The Onion often takes something and runs with it to create an extreme situation hoping to bump into humour…
…they’re still making choices about what aspects to run with. They could have just as easily taken a Ben Shapiro type conservative and made them run away with being I don’t know, so unpolitically correct that they become politically correct again. I don’t know, that’s just off the top of my head, but the point is they are choosing who they mock.
Because you can’t exaggerate something to make it ridiculous when it’s already so ridiculous.
Bad faith communicators like him already take their outrageous rhetoric and false conclusions farther than any funny parody would, effectively making them impossible to humorously satirize.
And note the “already exaggerated past the point of self-parody” their entire point is in fact exactly that anti-racists are nothing but self aggrandizing attention seekers.
So you admit that it is a caricature intended to mock anti-racist activists as nothing but virtue singling attention seekers, but think it is nothing more despite that being exactly what theater has used it for for the entirety of the Human existence. cool, cool.
It’s making fun of people patting themselves on the back over how good allies they are for doing things no one ever asked for and isn’t helping anybody.
Like how white people informed others to use the made up gender neutral word Latinx instead of Latino/Latina, when no Hispanic has even asked for it or even want it.
Dude I think you just misunderstood it. I get it, it’s a bit edgy, but so is “powerful trans person now capable of using every bathroom at once”, but this is satirizing the kind of creepy virtue signaling that metropolitan liberals do in order to seem more woke than they actually are, not being anti-racist.
White women and people trying not to be racist… They’re ruining society right? Har har har \s
Maybe they should start an info graphics show about trans ideology in schools next… Because you know those wokies are the problem, am I right?
The video isn’t making fun of anti-racism.
It’s making fun of virtue signaling by doing something unrelated that’s difficult for yourself, annoying to others and doesn’t help anyone.
I don’t really believe in virtue signaling. It’s something the rightwing made up to say they’re offended without having to say they’re offended.
I do however believe in the practicalities of politics… And yes, sometimes a company is going to have a gay pride month logo everywhere but Saudi Arabia, but that’s a Nationalist problem of culture, not something progressives are causing.
…yet apparently progressives are to blame for most virtue signaling?
Like I say, I don’t believe in virtue signaling.
No. Like so many things, it’s a real thing that right wing people twist into something it isn’t to fit their narrative or to excuse their own vices.
An example of virtue signaling would be to for example arbitrarily avoid using words that start with an n to showcase how virtuous you are.
An example of the right wing definition of virtue signaling is just…doing anything virtuous. Like when someone is legitimately doing or saying the right things for the right reasons, right wing troglodytes will call THAT virtue signaling.
Examples of real things are usually specific and real instances of those things actually occuring, I notice neither of your examples are (obe is the fiction comedy sketch, the other is just a general description you’ve written).
So I’m going to continue to doubt the existence of “virtue signaling”.
And I’m going to cease pretending that you’re receptive to reason and let you be pigheaded at someone else in stead. Have the day you deserve.
Or maybe you just couldn’t come up with a genuine real world example of virtue signaling.
See, that’s the thing about examples they provide substance capable of usurping reason. They’re a way of saying “see for yourself”.
But I get it, you’re frustrating and lashing out, that’s okay. Everyone’s got emotions, and politics is a frustrating topic.
Difficult to do comedy on in an age of saturation (and an election year to boot).
Have a good day.
You want a genuine real world example? I’ll give you two.
Remember in 2014 when Russia invaded Crimea? Actress AnnaLynne McCord reacted via a textbook virtue signaling poem about being Putin’s mom.
More recently, Nancy Pelosi reacted to all American women losing their constitutional right to bodily autonomy by reciting another poem that did not help anyone and then singing about how beautiful the country is on some stairs with the Washington Voices of Virtue (vote for us) Choir.
And now having a go at Pelosi! You couldn’t be more blatant, turf herder.
So people writing poetry to express themselves about issues they literally have no control over (No, Nancy Pelosi can’t overturn Supreme Court decisions) is virtue signaling? So virtue signaling is just any time someone expresses that they would prefer a different world? I mean, come on, that’s not virtue signaling. That’s just self expression.
Didn’t you say something about it being when you signal you want a virtuous act to happen rather than actually doing the act yourself? What’s Nancy Pelosi gonna do? Assassinate Clarence Thomas? What control is that model lady supposed to be neglecting that she has over Putin? You’re using this term to bitch about things you don’t like. This is just how I said conservatives use the term - to express that they’re offended without having to say they are.
P.S Saying goodbye in a conversation generally means the conversation is over, not that you’re gonna come back and complain that “the darn leftist women are doing poetry I don’t like”… Again, wowee we’re really going after the important topics in life.
And when called out for spreading the AstroTurf, they run away crying about how unreasonable those calling it out are…
A very real and common place example of virtue signaling, and what the term was originally meant to show, would be going to church and asking for god’s forgiveness on Sunday while being an absolute shit head the rest of the week. Now you see why right wingers co-opted and twisted it. It was originally meant to call out their bs, and they can’t be having that.
ding ding ding ding, that is correct.
no, it isn’t. It is 100% intending to suggest that anyone saying anything about racism is just virtue signaling. That is what comedic caricatures are for. They mock behavior by exaggeration and over simplification in order to discredit a viewpoint or people.
Nope. You’re, as usual, 100% wrong.
You’re ascribing intent that is not at all evident in the video.
It’s a video of a silly person doing something more silly than most real people ever would, in order to promote how virtuous she is, which isn’t helping anyone. That’s all it is. That’s the caricature.
There’s no part of it that suggests that all mention of racism is virtue signaling. That’s YOUR thought. Whether or not you agree with it, that originated with YOU, not the video.
You are asking too much from someone who thinks being woke is a bad thing.
Which is why I objected to declaring all anti-racist behavior by whites as virtue signaling? you’ve got some amazing alternative logic going on there.
Whilst I do agree that The Onion often takes something and runs with it to create an extreme situation hoping to bump into humour…
…they’re still making choices about what aspects to run with. They could have just as easily taken a Ben Shapiro type conservative and made them run away with being I don’t know, so unpolitically correct that they become politically correct again. I don’t know, that’s just off the top of my head, but the point is they are choosing who they mock.
…and they used to choose more substantial issues.
Nope, you can’t take something that’s already exaggerated past the point of self-parody and then parody it.
Which in this case is unhelpful virtue signaling taking attention away from honest anti-racism that’s actually about helping people.
Why?
And what exactly is past self-parody? What comes after that? (Besides ‘plaid’.)
Because you can’t exaggerate something to make it ridiculous when it’s already so ridiculous.
Bad faith communicators like him already take their outrageous rhetoric and false conclusions farther than any funny parody would, effectively making them impossible to humorously satirize.
Please do tell us more about how racism is solved and not an issue anyone would genuinely think needs to be addressed.
And note the “already exaggerated past the point of self-parody” their entire point is in fact exactly that anti-racists are nothing but self aggrandizing attention seekers.
So you admit that it is a caricature intended to mock anti-racist activists as nothing but virtue singling attention seekers, but think it is nothing more despite that being exactly what theater has used it for for the entirety of the Human existence. cool, cool.
Nope. I JUST explained to you how it ISN’T that.
It’s making fun of people patting themselves on the back over how good allies they are for doing things no one ever asked for and isn’t helping anybody.
Like how white people informed others to use the made up gender neutral word Latinx instead of Latino/Latina, when no Hispanic has even asked for it or even want it.
Dude I think you just misunderstood it. I get it, it’s a bit edgy, but so is “powerful trans person now capable of using every bathroom at once”, but this is satirizing the kind of creepy virtue signaling that metropolitan liberals do in order to seem more woke than they actually are, not being anti-racist.