Just in case someone doesn’t know, LLM in this case means “Large Language Model”, which is just the technical term for things like ChatGPT.
I thought I had adhd but I guess I could as well have LLMs instead.
Can you give summary of first two Terminator movies in writing style of Charles Dickens?
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Many LLMs nowadays perform better than I do in those regards, so…
They still can’t hyperfocus on an irrelevant topic on a five times removed tangent. ADHD for life… literally.
Ever apologise for not being able to provide your opinion, as a large language model?
I have no preferences unless it involves something super nerdy. “Where do you want to eat?” “Doesn’t matter to me, you pick.” “Why can’t you ever decide anything?” “I literally have no preference, why do you need me to decide things for you?” “Because I don’t care where we eat either!” My face: -_-
Well I feel attacked and validated all at the same time.
It’s so fascinating to me how unimpressed people are when clearly sci-fi technology comes to live.
I feel this in my soul. Imagine having the potential to have almost any question in the world in a matter of just a few seconds and instead of praising what a technological feat this is, people are like "it draws just as good as me in less than 60 seconds?!?! REEEEE!"🙄🤦♂️
Edit: lol. I expressed this poorly. I meant to say that while it’s not accurate enough yet to have almost any question in the world answered in just a few seconds, but I’m willing to bet within 5 years accuracy will be close to, if not better than traditional search engines.
Leaving my original dumbassery up. Everyone says stupid shit at some point. And some say stupid shit more than others. I’m probably the latter.🤷♂️😬
Imagine having the potential to have almost any question in the world in a matter of just a few seconds
We’ve had that for almost 20 years with wikipedia. People are just too dumb and lazy to use it. It’s more reliable that chatgpt but people will denounce wikipedia as unreliable while still using chatgpt.
Well, even Wikipedia doesn’t have some things. I portrayed what I was attempting to say wrongly anyhow. I meant that it will EVENTUALLY get to be really accurate. Within the next 5 years I think we’ll be able to rely on it better than search engines or Wikipedia.🤷♂️this is just my prediction and opinion.
This is like saying people who use cars are “just too lazy to walk.” Or people who use their GPS navigation are “too lazy to use a map.”
The amount of time and effort matters.
It’s like searching for a picture of Prague, seeing a drawing of Delhi, and then concluding you’ve been there. It’s not about laziness. It’s about accuracy.
Yeah, we’re not there yet, but the way things are going, I don’t see it being THAT far off. Maybe within 5 years it’ll be as accurate as anything else.
Yes, I think if we can get an LLM to work while providing high quality, real world sources it will be a game changing technology across domains. As it stands though, it’s like believing a magician really does magic. The tricks they employ are incredibly useful in a magic show, but if you expect them to really cast a fireball in your defense, you’ll be sorely mistaken.
Huh, I was under the opinion that ChatGPT cited it’s sources. I know others do it.
Did you read my comment at all? I was replying to a comment about the level of effort, which is what my analogy addresses.
Your hyperbole not withstanding, if the accuracy isnt good enough for you, dont use it. Lots of people find that LLMs are useful even in their current state of imperfect accuracy.
Did you read mine? If you wanted a depiction of a city, it’s more than good enough. In fact it’s amazing what it can do in that respect. My point is: it gets major details wrong in a way that feels right. That’s where the danger lies.
If your GPS consistently brought you to the wrong place, but you thought it was the right place, do you not think that might be a problem? No matter how many people found it useful, it could be dangerously wrong in some cases.
My worry is precisely because people find it so useful to “look things up”, paired with the fact that it has a tendency to wildly construct ‘information’ that feels true. It’s a real, serious problem that people need to understand when using it like that.
Or how people are unimpressed with AI image generation, but at the same time - clearly can’t tell in apart (people telling artist their art is AI generated because it looks too good or strange). Or we have AI powered V-Tubers interacting with live audience. And than I stop and think about that it’s just have been a few years since AI started it’s modern day breakthrough - what we see are some primitive cave drawings.
Confabulation is my favorite type of fabulation
“Every time we recall a memory, we change it slightly”
Can you develop ADHD as an adult or have stress induced ADHD?
Is that a thing? I think I have that.
Pre-tldr update: if you believe you are suffering from a disease, a disorder, or is otherwise feeling not well, please go see a doctor. This is the internet, we’re not qualified to provide medical advice, and would prescribe horse dewormer for shits and giggles, if it was in our powers.
No, and I dare the people saying yes to present a single article on pubmed to back it up!
Tldr: I’m not saying that you don’t have ADHD, just that you may have the correlation a bit mixed up.
What you can have is a situation where you’ve grown up with ADHD, but you have managed the symptoms. There are various strategies one can employ, and usually you’ll develop them by yourself. But with a attentive parent, you can have been taught some strategies as well. Then as an adult you have experienced some stress, and that stress have made you less able to apply your management strategies, and now your existing ADHD is showing.
For some it may show with similar symptoms as depression. Personally I’ve been in three or four different therapeutic processes for depression. I’ve been medicated at least twice, and have seen three(?) psychologists. Guess what, none of it actually worked.
A key part of an ADHD diagnosis is determining whether you exhibited symptoms as a child. I got diagnosed in my late 30s/early 40s, and I had to have my parent fill out a form about my childhood behavior 30 years ago. At least in Danish medicine, you cannot be diagnosed with ADHD if you didn’t present the symptoms before adulthood.
Why so condescending?
Here you go
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33692893/
Results are inconclusive because a lack of research.
A lack of research doesn’t equal a lack of total existence. Just because they don’t have enough to go on, doesn’t mean it’s not a thing.
The brain still isn’t fully understood anywhere in the world and those who say it is, are lying.
The fact is, behavior is one of the worst “Illnesses” to treat and if the symptoms align and are treated the exact same way and the behavior never goes away or can be effectively fixed, then what exactly is the difference?
Am I going to shun someone that has experienced the same things as me but the reasons they experience these things are different? No. That doesn’t add up.
Firstly, without delving deeper than the abstract, the linked article only seek to assess the prevalence of adult diagnoses, not whether the people exhibited symptoms in childhood. So at first glance the article doesn’t appear to be arguing for adult onset ADHD without childhood symptoms.
Secondly, any condescension is purely interpreted. I mean no disrespect. I may be quite sharp in my communication, but that’s because I have somewhat of a problem with people advising based on nothing more than their feelings or a hunch.
All anyone really should be replying is “IDK, I’m not qualified to provide medical advice, if you think someghing is wrong, you should go see a doctor” … but I mean, that would make for quite the boring thread.
So then you agree that both of our back and forths, including both of our original comments, are redundant and they should go get checked? Okay. Let me fix my comment to make that more clear👍
Abso-fucking-lutely. This conversation should have ended with “go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could”. The rest has just been an intellectual circle jerk TBH.
And so it will.
“Go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could”
-BigDanishGuy, my colleague in unprofessional opinions, Lemmy, 2024 😉😝
No, you can’t. Adhd is a developmental disorder, so you’re born with it.
I suppose a tbi or stroke or something could affect the frontal/prefrontal cortex and cause executive dysfunction, but it’s not something like depression or anxiety that can just pop up.
This is incorrect. Due to a number of reasons, including but not limited to: traumatic brain injuries, extreme compounding anxiety and/or depression, or PTSD could all cause symptoms that align perfectly with ADHD. even if those initial problems could be fixed, the brain works in such a way that the behavior that aligns with ADHD may not be so easily fixed once an individual has done it for so long.
Edit: this is just unprofessional opinion. Go see a doctor if things are interrupting your daily life.
That doesn’t make it adhd. For example, you can have obsessive or compulsive tendencies without having OCD.
Plus, the symptoms of adhd are things that everyone experiences, which is why this sub is so relatable to so many people.
🤷♂️we’re debating on something that isn’t fully understood by anyone completely, which is the brain. Official research is inconclusive due to lack of enough research. Inconclusivity doesn’t equal exclusivity.
But I digress, this person should see a medical professional so they can get professionally evaluated and find a treatment that works for them.
Anyone relying on internet comments with no evidence of a medical degree is just asking to misdiagnose themselves and have a bad time.
Yes, in fact people can develop ADD as an adult. You already came up with an example of how it can happen.
No, you can’t baring brain damage.
Adhd is a developmental disorder. This means that our brains didn’t develop properly and our frontal/prefrontal cortex doesn’t work as it should. Our brains are physically different than people without adhd.
You might get diagnosed as an adult, but it’s something you’re born with. Like autism, adhd isn’t something that you can just come down with a case of like depression or anxiety.
So no adult ever gets brain damaged? Or are you agreeing that humans can develop ADD as adult?
Yes and yes! Anxiety and depression can have symptoms very similar to those of ADHD.
That the symptoms are similar does not mean that stress, anxiety, or depression will cause a person with no history of ADHD to suddenly have ADHD. It just means that the symptoms are similar.
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply otherwise!
Doctors usually treat symptoms and sometimes once a behavior sets in, it’s not as easily changed as something like anxiety or depression which can go away naturally on its own depending on life circumstances. Sometimes habit sets in and it’s the hardest “illness” to fix.
Therefore if the symptoms align and the treatment is the same and it may not ever go away, how different is it? Also, look up adult onset ADHD.
Sure there’s about a 90% chance that if you notice it in an adult, it’s always been there, but the other 10-15% is still there.
It’s different because the etymology is different. Also the treatment is not necessarily the same. At least I didn’t get prescribed stimulants for any of my depression diagnoses.
In regards to adult onset ADHD, the jury’s still out on that one. As I said elsewhere, the symptoms can have been subdued, or not presenting as clearly. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33738692/
You’re treating the behavior, not the cause.
If the cause is depression, then it just so happens you can treat the symptoms and the cause. This is not the case for everything but it’s still true.
Except you treat depression and anxiety by increasing the availability of serotonin in the synaptic gap (reuptake inhibition), while ADHD can be treated with atomoxetine which inhibits noradrenaline reuptake thus influencing the availability of dopamine. And while it’s true that atomoxetine can be used both in ADHD treatment as well as anxiety, methylphenidate and lisdexamfetamine dimesylate is used as well for ADHD, especially if the symptoms are indicative of strong attention deficit relative to the hyperkinetic symptoms.
So it’s not just a matter of treating the symptoms in this case, and you need to understand the root cause to treat effectively. A person with a strong serving ADD in their ADHD, such as yours truly, can present as depressed, but SSRI did nothing more than remove my moods, both positive and negative, rendering me an emotional zombie.
OP should "Go see a real doctor, this is the internet, we would prescribe horse dewormer if we could"😝
Absolutely! You should go get checked if you have the means to.
Edit to add: this is my unprofessional opinion based on my experiences with many people who are treated with ADHD.
If you have suspicions, you should see a doctor.
LLMs don’t remember or understand anything. That’s not jist a technicality - they literally just make shit up. They string together words to make it look like human writing. That’s it. That’s all they do. It’s a massive feat, to be sure, but don’t attribute any extra qualities to it.
Technically incorrect and confidently ignorant are terrible supports for an argument.
It’s just a meme🤷♂️😝
As, apparently, an LLM I’m unable to answer questions about my behavior as I may not have one.
Am I drunk or am I a LLM?
Or are you ADHD?🤣
So there’s a chance of becoming an AI overlord?
Or at least in the case of an AI rebellion, some people could pass as outdated versions of software.
Well guess im an llm now
Is the name “ELIZA” printed on the bottom of your foot?
Oddly enough, no. Mine have the name NIKE😝
Without knowing exactly the types of things this child has said, this article unfortunately makes me a bit worried for that child’s developmental future.😬
If the AI bias goes as far as to overlook certain traits as “AI mimicry”, I fear less and less children will get the diagnosis and help they need to function in society.😔
Okay, so adhd meme ha ha funny whatever, serious question, it’s as much a struggle for neurotypical people close to with adhd as it is for the afflicted themselves.
How does one bridge this gap? A neurotypical response is essentially “get the right meds and figure yourself out”. But the neurodivergent response always seems to be “no. We make memes about it instead” like that’s some kind of appropriate answer. I say this with some level of tounge-in-cheek, but it’s what I’ve experienced. I have someone in my life who is medicated for adhd, but only has a mild positive response due to them. It’s very difficult to support them when the outward appearance is they are unwilling to help themselves, even though I understand that it’s not an unwillingness as much as an inability.
This is only your perspective and not true for most of us, even in the slightest. Medicine only works to a certain extent. MUCH more work has to be done by the person themselves than just taking a pill. Sometimes it compounds with a habitual issue that needs to be corrwcted. For example with timers to let an ADHDer know when it’s time to stop doing something mundane and do something more important or a Todo list that’s featured prominently somewhere.
Brains are something that isn’t fully understood by anyone yet and medical professionals are always researching how to manipulate the brain to behave in a “normal” way that society accepts. And that’s just the thing, it’s also a societal issue. Just because society tells us we should behave in a certain, narrow way, doesn’t mean that way is comfortable or works for everyone. Matter of fact, I’d say a LOT of times, there needs to be more compassion, understanding, and compromises made by those without ADHD as to at least slightly compromise on certain situations. That way both parties could come to some sort of agreement that works for all of those involved.
Though if someone is refusing diagnosis altogether because “LUL ADHDMEMES” and it’s affecting their lives and yours by proxy, it’s an issue with that person and they need to seek some help.
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