• AnotherDirtyAnglo@lemmy.ca
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    10 months ago

    Uh, yeah, because once dying is the recommended alternative to fixing the mental health care system, there’s going to be less demand, and government will use that as an excuse to not fix the fucking problem.

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      10 months ago

      Ah yes, keep the suffering as high as possible for some people in order to put pressure on fixing the system.

      That isn’t cruel at all.

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        10 months ago

        20 years ago when I was well I thought it was a great idea. Things look differently when you have been suffering needlessly for a decade because proven treatment that could help you simply isn’t offered unless you are wealthy. Whatever you might think of what it does to the “level of suffering,” it is simply not an acceptable compromise for our government to offer MAID in place of treatment under any circumstances.

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          10 months ago

          Yet they aren’t going to offer significantly better treatment, so if that’s not an option, why shouldn’t MAID be?

          It’s not like hiring 10% more specialists will fix this, the volume of people needing help is way higher than that. You can yell all you want about wanting better treatment, the rest of us want to be realistic given the resources available. We probably need 500% more specialists, and there’s simply no way to train or pay that many people.

          The only way this problem gets solved is if we manage to create an AI that can successfully treat millions of people at the same time. It will likely happen at some point, but that point is not today, or even this decade likely. Until then, I’d like people to have options to retain their dignity.

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            10 months ago

            Fine, if it’s not an option. But it IS an option. Other countries can treat their ill. Fuck, THIS country could do it 40 years ago.

            If we can spend money on MAID, we can spend money on treatment. There is absolutely no reason that we could not be offering treatment. If there was, then great. But it’s simply being withheld for fucking ideological bullshit.

            How much do you think it costs to render MAID?? It’s not fucking cheap! Not even counting the societal cost. And if your argument really boils down to, “it’s cheaper to kill people than to treat them,” then sir, fuck you so hard.

            I am one of those people you are talking about. Stop talking on my behalf, listen more.

            • BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca
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              10 months ago

              Other countries have mental health crisises as well. I can’t name a single first world country that has enough mental health support available to everyone. It’s very very difficult given that most people won’t even talk about their problems.

              Maid is cheap, but my argument has nothing to do with that. Maid is a personal choice, and I think everyone deserves that right.