• Cyv_@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    Voting is the bare minimum. You want real change do MORE, not LESS. What a shit take. “it isnt working so lets give up”

    And gtfo with your “what we need is a revolution” shit, if that’s how you feel go start one, or accept that you not voting is you giving up, because what real concrete steps are you taking besides not voting, and shitposting about it.

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      Voting is the bare minimum. You want real change do MORE, not LESS. What a shit take. “it isnt working so lets give up”

      In other words: “We refuse to represent you, but now it’s your fault.”

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        Sort of, yes. It is our fault for not being more active in politics. But its not like its directly our doing, its more that our inaction simply makes it worse, and acting like the people who are actually trying to improve things are big dumb idiots while doing even less than they are is a pretty shit take.

        I will say politics is a corrupt mess. Voting doesn’t do a lot, but acting like doing nothing is better is just stupid.

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          Voting doesn’t do a lot, but acting like doing nothing is better is just stupid.

          Blaming voters when the people they elect don’t do what they were elected to do just lets the politicians off the hook.

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            How do you plan on holding them accountable? Not voting at all does nothing. Voting for somebody else might help, voting in primaries even more so, as does being otherwise involved in politics.

            Not voting isn’t anything, its nothing, its doing nothing, its accomplishing nothing.

            Definitely do other stuff too, protest, email your reps, plan your revolution, whatever, but voting is an easy entry point, and ignoring it is a mistake. Vote vermin supreme for all I care just go vote.

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              I’m already voting. But every time I express disappointment at the results, people who ar happy with the results act like I’m not doing enough, and that the worthlessness of the available choices is my fault.

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                Well you’re allowed to feel like the choices are shit, they def are. I don’t think I’d lay the blame for a broken system at the feet of somebody already doing what they reasonably can, which you are. Imo its a systemic problem that I think will require voting reform to fix, that’s fundamentally driven by the 2 party duopoly.

                I’m not frustrated with you, I’m more upset with the OP for acting like the best option is to give up. Its definitely a shit show but unless we’re ready to go full revolution we have to contribute in whatever way we can. The simplest being to vote. Obviously more is better, but doing anything at all is better than like a third of Americans, and I’d argue better than halfish the rest of the 2/3rds but that’s my own political opinions.

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                  Change on the national level will never occur through voting. If their is a study or research that shows that voting makes an impact, I’m all for it.

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      2 words- Electoral College

      Edit: direct action : action that seeks to achieve an end directly and by the most immediately effective means (such as a boycott or strike)