DRAFT! Work in Progress!

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7992691

There are some straightforward opportunities for short-term safety improvements, but this is only the start of what’s needed to change the dynamic more completely.

This is a draft, so feedback welcome!

  • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
    8·
    10 months ago

    Make it easy for admins setting up new instances to start out with an instance blocklist

    This goes against everything the Fediverse stands for.

    If you want to create blocklists and make them available to users, that’s fine. Creating global blocklists will just destroy interoperability. Who is the judge of these blocklists? Is there any appeals process for a community that is wrongfully-added?

      • density@kbin.social
        2·
        10 months ago

        who is the judge of the server side code? what about the terrible green on white default lemmy color scheme? who is the judge of https? who is the judge of the physical infrastructure of the internet? who is the judge of wifi6?

        omg it goes so deep judges everywhere judging me!!!

    • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
      7·
      10 months ago

      From previous interactions with the author, I am convinced he is not really interested in the growth of the fediverse and is more than willing to sacrifice anything if it keeps it small and on the fringes. As much as I try to steelman his arguments, I can not find a good reasoning. At best, it is just a reactionary attempt to keep the fediverse exclusive to some minority. At worst, it becomes a way to submit everyone into a ESG-compliance racket. “Nice instance you have over there, it would be a shame if it was marked as the home of nazis…”

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        2·
        10 months ago

        Absolutely, they are gatekeeping. They think the Fediverse should be exclusive to minorities and geeks but that was never the goal.

      • The Nexus of PrivacyOPEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        No, as the article says at the very beginning, it’s that I think a big reason that fediverse isn’t growing is its failure to deal with safety.

        • rglullis@communick.newsEnglish
          3·
          10 months ago

          This is the type of argument that makes you less credible, because even if I take what you are saying at face value it shows how all your logic is biased. If “failure to deal with safety” was such a big impediment for mass adoption, how have come the Big Tech alternative still attract billions of users?

    • density@kbin.social
      2·
      10 months ago

      global blocklists

      good thing nobody suggested that… And if they did it would be completely unenforceable.

      • The Nexus of PrivacyOPEnglish
        1·
        10 months ago

        Yep. But, even though I didn’t suggest it, I didn’t explicitly say that it didn’t mean global blocklists. So I clarified it, and added a footnote with more detial.

        As Instance-level federation decisions reflect norms, policies, interpretations, and (sometimes) strategy discusses, opinions differ on the definition of “bad actor.” So the best approach is probably going to present the admin of a new instance with a range of recommendations to choose between based on their preference. Software platforms should provide an initial vetted list (along with enough information for a new admin to do something sensible), and hosting companies and third-party recommenders should also be able provide alternatives.

    • haui@lemmy.giftedmc.comEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      You can immediately see who is an admin and who is not.

      If you have an open instance and someone puts csam on it and reports you, you’re toast. Thats what blocklists are for and they arent new. Mastodon instances already have blocklists which every sane admin uses. They even come in different flavors.

      The way this works is that certain instances „vote“ on blocks by applying blocks to certain instances and if one, multiple or all „trusted“ insrances block an address, it „federates“ through these updated lists.

    • The Nexus of PrivacyOPEnglish
      2·
      10 months ago

      Nonsense. Instance blocklists are used across the fediverse today. They’re certainly not a perfect solution but they have the advantage of actually existing. See Blocklists in the fediverse for a lot more discussion.