I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

    • fidodo@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, Letting the far right get voted in does not push the Democrats to the left, if anything it pulls them right. Fight like hell but protest abstaining does not achieve anything.

      • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Yeah, Letting the far right get voted in does not push the Democrats to the left, if anything it pulls them right.

        How so, exactly? (I’m not abstaining from voting in 2024 to be clear, but I don’t follow this argument)

          • QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            Shifting the Overton window involves proponents of policies outside the window persuading the public to expand the window.

            How exactly does voting for a politician who supports roughly zero policies outside the Overton window persuade the public to expand the window?

            Edit:

            Although the window offers a theory of change, its central element—the window itself—actually describes the norm from which reality has deviated. Zeynep Tufekci worries in The New York Times that Trump “voices truths outside the Overton Window,” while the British writer Sam Leith speculates that Corbyn may have positioned his party “dangerously far from the centre of the Overton Window.” The window serves as shorthand for the erstwhile consensus. Viewing politics through the Overton Window reinforces liberal notions about the moderate center, even as that center ground erodes.

            For conservatives, by contrast, the Overton Window has always been about strategy. Though Overton himself never committed his most influential idea to paper, his Mackinac Center colleague Joe Lehman continued his work after Overton’s death in 2003 at age 43. Lehman not only coined the term “Overton Window,” he weaponized it, setting up training sessions on the concept for other right-leaning think tankers. The term filtered into the conservative blogosphere in 2006, when Josh Trevino enthused about the window as a tool for the right. “Step by step, ideas that were once radical or unthinkable—homeschooling, tuition tax credits, and vouchers—have moved into normal public discourse,” Trevino declared. “The conscious decision to shift the Overton Window is yielding its results.”

            Okay maybe don’t derive your argument from yet another piece of “libertarian” think tank nonsense.

    • MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world
      12·
      11 months ago

      This is my sticking point as well. I’m down for any and all critique of the Democrats, but when the general election comes around the absolute #1 priority has to be preventing and removing conservatives from power. Not a single good policy comes from conservatives. They exist purely to block progressive policies. Let’s get rid of them and see what we can accomplish.

    • eskimofry@lemmy.world
      1·
      11 months ago

      It’s bad because it is. You’re just trying to fill in the blanks that you tacked on at the end yourself.