I literally do blame the Democrats for Trump, and if you don’t, you weren’t paying attention.

Plenty of us were critiquing Clinton’s campaign on those merits and were consistently talked down to in shocker the same way we’re being talked down to now. Shocker, she lost. I remember saying a few weeks before the election “We’re about to get Brexited.” I put my vote down for Clinton, because Trump is fucking insane, and that was clear before he was President. It was clear in the fucking 1980’s.

Being able to critique our leaders is supposed to be what is the difference between us and conservative voters. They’re the cult who unquestioningly believes all the bullshit that comes out of Trump’s mouth and diapers. I find it weird that people think we should be more like them in regards to our leaders like that would be a good thing.

  • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
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    10 months ago

    I mean, I wouldn’t really say my critique is that they’re “competent.” Hubris does not imply competence.

    I would say elevating someone like Trump because you think it’s an easy win falls under “incompetent.”

    Clinton isn’t the only reason he won, but acting like her campaign didn’t have an impact on Trump, and that her campaign centering him isn’t also part of why he ended up the nominee is acting like she never had any influence or impact at all, is also not true.

    Clinton’s campaign literally had press access and so to act like her campaign didn’t influence what the media discussed is also brazenly ignoring what happened. Did she make Trump President? No. Did she give him way more opportunity to win than he would have had otherwise? Yes.

    You don’t have to be competent for that.

    • Lauchs@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Ehhhh, attributing the boatload of free coverage trump racked up as the result of the Clinton campaign seems a little silly.

      Every network ran trump coverage because it was ratings gold. I remember many non political friends who couldn’t wait to watch the debates for the sheer idiocy.

      I’d say it’s true to say that Clinton wanted to elevate trump. But it also seems ludicrous to suggest the only reason he got through the republican primaries was because of Clinton’s deep and friendly contacts in the right wing traditional and social media wings. (Just imagine the poor Clinton staffer calling up Breitbart.)

      Edit: Just look at the list of press contacts. Do you think any Republican primary voters were waiting on Rachel Maddow or Ronan Farrow’s opinion?!?

      • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
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        10 months ago

        Did she make Trump President? No. Did she give him way more opportunity to win than he would have had otherwise? Yes.

        Did she make Trump President? No. Did she give him way more opportunity to win than he would have had otherwise? Yes.

        But it also seems ludicrous to suggest the only reason he got through the republican primaries was because of Clinton’s deep and friendly contacts in the right wing traditional and social media wings.

        Yeah it’s really easy to argue when you just make up shit and don’t actually listen to what the other person said. I literally didn’t fucking argue that, chucklefuck.

        This kind of response is literally why I made this post. Because it doesn’t matter what we say you people will argue with a fucking strawman anyway.

        • Lauchs@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          Calm down kid.

          I literally didn’t fucking argue that, chucklefuck.

          but acting like her campaign didn’t have an impact on Trump, and that her campaign centering him isn’t also part of why he ended up the nominee is acting like she never had any influence or impact at all, is also not true.

          Arguing that Clinton’s campaign is a large part of why he ended up the nominee is a little silly.

            • Lauchs@lemmy.world
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              10 months ago

              If it wasn’t a large part, it’s pretty silly to get worked up about it, isn’t it?

              • Snot FlickermanOPEnglish
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                10 months ago

                I’m more worked up because you’re misrepresenting what I said. You don’t think that plays into it?

                You’ve already called me “kid” even though I’m almost fifty, and you’re trying to act like my cares are silly and immature. You clearly care enough to try to minimize the idea but not enough to give a valid critique that isn’t a strawman.

                But sure, it’s silly to get worked up about politics! /s Get fucked, asswipe. Try arguing in good faith.