• Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Fascism is also the natural result of unchecked progressivism.

    Can you give an example? You cited 1940’s Russia, but Soviet Marxist-Leninism was not progressivism. It was also not leftism, despite decades of conservative deception on this topic.

    Marxist–Leninists in the Soviet Union were famously opposed to “left communism” and social democracy. They openly opposed liberal democracy. They also supported an authoritarian style of government, which is definitionally opposite of progressivism.

    Here’s a link to a wikipedia page on the ideological foundation of the Soviet Union (Marxist-Leninism) to support my position that their government was neither “left” nor “progressive”. The points in my paragraph above are stated almost verbatim in this wikipedia entry.

    To use the Soviet Union as an example of a left or progressive government, you would first need to change the definitions of “left” or “progressive”.

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      10 months ago

      Alright so clearly you’re going to just “no true scotsman” any and all examples that I could give, how about you show me the unrestricted left wing utopia that exists somewhere in the world? Or has no one ever attempted “true left wing” policies as you dictate them to be?

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        10 months ago

        You’ve got some nerve citing fallacies when you’re the one who started out with a massive strawman argument and a balance fallacy. First of all, no, the guy you replied to clearly did not mean “fascism” as a synonym for authoritarianism in general like you pretended he did; these days when we say it, we really do mean specifically that thing that matches Umberto Eco’s 14 points (or a similar definition). Second, no, there’s no unchecked left-wing authoritarianism going on here; you pulled that entirely out of your ass so you could make a bullshit “both sides” argument.

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        10 months ago

        Do you have any? I’d be really interested to learn more. I wouldn’t have thought progressivism unchecked would lead to fascism. Without balance I guess I don’t know what it would lead to.

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          10 months ago

          I would actually only think it would lead to fascism as an extreme reaction against progressivism, ala Weimar Republic.

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        10 months ago

        There are plenty of countries in the EU that have favorable worker’s rights, free education and healthcare, and a healthy social safety net. Compared to the US at least.