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    If Biden reschedules (or even better legalizes — I know this is a larger challenge legally) cannabis and takes a harder stance against Israel, I think he would win most of the key states he needs to win the election. Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Arizona, and to a lesser degree Georgia will determine this election. The rest of the states are locked in. A 1% swing can mean the difference to prevent a dictatorship.

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        Also, I genuinely don’t think most Americans care all that much to the degree it would affect their support of Biden.

        I’m struggling to think of anyone I know who is so upset about Israel they would consider throwing the country to Trump, and I know a lot of people that have very strong opinions on Israel.

        It just doesn’t track. If you’re against Israel’s actions, you’re probably also not keen on fascism, racism, and authoritarianism…so logically, you’re not keen on letting Trump win.

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          According to the census, 1.1% of Americans are Muslim and many Muslim leaders are encouraging their base not to vote for Biden. They aren’t voting for Trump either but since Muslims lean heavily democrat, a non vote is the same as voting for Trump in a swing state. It isn’t that they want Trump and authoritarianism, it’s that they are protesting against the US support for Israel.

          Source: https://apnews.com/article/muslim-swing-state-biden-vote-fb3b93f465ed6fd34a901c269a084a90

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            Well that there is a failure of Muslim leadership.

            Hatred is often a self destructive thing. Not voting for Biden increases the probability that Trump will win which will be a very bad thing for Muslims in the US. So they’re willing to cause themselves harm over their hatred of Israel.

            Maybe it’s time people stop listening to leaders that want to sacrifice the people they lead to make themselves look like strong men?

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              I certainly do not disagree with you. What the Muslim leaders are doing is certainly stupid as Trump will be far worse for their people in the Middle East. I am just relaying the information that is out there about their current agenda.

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                I think it’s too soon to tell really. There’s people saying a lot of things out of emotion but emotions tend to fade. It’s easy to say you hypothetically won’t vote for Biden to exert pressure right now, but when facing the cold hard reality of the potential for a Trump presidency which emotion takes precedence.

                Mostly this thing is dependent on Hamas being decisively defeated a few months before the election so people will no longer have the most documented war in history on their screens making them upset.

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              How the fuck is refusing to support genocide “hatred”?

              US foreign policy over multiple decades has hammered home for Muslims that both parties froth at the mouth to murder them and their families. It’s only natural that we won’t vote for either of those murderers. I know I’ll personally be voting for the Green Party, and the only thing that could get me to consider voting for a Democrat ever again would be if the President turned himself, Obama, and George W. bush over to The Hague to stand trial for their murderous wars.

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          Yea sadly. Even just looking at israel/gaza Trump would do at least as bad as biden and probably worse.

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        Wow that’s some straight up antisemitism right there. Sorry, but there isn’t some secret Jewish Cabal controlling the world.

        Go outside and touch some grass, ok?

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          Hi there. Jewish person here. The people you are accusing of being antisemitic are 100% right. AIPAC has controlled the American political stance on Israel for decades.

          If you care about American Jews, stop associating them with Israel. That is what is getting us harassed and attacked, being automatically associated with Israel.

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            Yeah this is the internet and I can claim that I’m a Palestinian that thinks that Netanyahu is completely in the right. Which proves what exactly?

            Also note that racism towards “Cosmopolitan Jews” was a way a certain group used as a gateway for people that weren’t willing to be antisemitic towards all Jews. But we know how that ended.

            So today it’s considered to be good and correct to hate “zionist jews” by those who would normally think antismeitsm is wrong. Meanwhile in my city there’s an Israeli consullate, but the protesters don’t go there, they protest in the middle of a Jewish community, and have attempted to burn down Jewish businesses. While you’re distinguishing between “cosmopolitan zionist jews” and other jews, there are many people in the Palestinian movement who are not.

            We need to stop looking the other way about what this is really about. An antisemitic movement that wants to restore the ethnic makeup of a geographic area to the way it was in a history book by the use of extreme violence. “Blood and soil”, “from the river to the sea” same shit different century.

            I’m not a Jew but my grandfather fought in a war against people that did the same things the Palestinian movement is doing right now. Jews went along with the movement my grandfather fought against too, you know. So the same bullshit from a century ago and how it affected my grandfather means a bit more than your unverifiable claims about being a jew. This ain’t about you, this is about fascists trying to burn down Jewish businesses in the city I live in after my grandfather sacrificed a lot to fight against that kind of evil.

            Now go on and make excuses for the violent actions of the fascists in your movement like a good useful idiot.

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              You are welcome to look at my comment history and see how many other times I have talked about being Jewish.

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                I really don’t care. There were Jews that joined the Nazi party. Historically being Jewish hasn’t exactly been a prophylactic against being a part of antisemitic movements. You may think you can win over the violent elements in a movement to only hate a subset of Jews so you’ll be fine. But when there’s a night of the long knives you find out only the opinions of those with the knives really count in these kinds of movements. And they aren’t going to care that you were “one of the good ones” when the knives come out.

                They already don’t seem to care what kind of Jew goes to the synagogues they shoot at.

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                    On the internet nobody knows you’re a dog.

                    You can be whatever you want to be. Not sure why you’re playing the role of useful idiot for an antisemitic movement, but if you want that to be your internet persona, then no one can stop you. Just like no one can stop me from pretending from posting what I want even if I might be a dog in real life. Woof!

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        You mean if they were stupid enough to try nominating any of the candidates Biden beat 4 years ago? Stupid enough to gamble on a new candidate, ignoring the fact Biden already beat Trump once? Stupid enough to ignore the fact the fact that the incumbent president more often than not wins reelection?

        You’re right, democracy is on the line, now’s the best time to fucking gamble it away.

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          “now’s” as good a time as any

          “this time for sure”

          “can’t believe how easily this will be to beat trump”

          “better of 2 evils! don’t worry we’ll just go further left in 4 years :)”

          “oopsie dead babies :(”

          [repeats ad nauseam until the libs are dead or go further right]

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            don’t worry we’ll just go further left in 4 years :)”

            But we did. The Inflation Reduction Act was not only the most climate friendly bill in US history, it bolstered domestic green energy companies so much that Canada and Europe had to pass similar legislation to stay competitive (and keep companies from relocating).

            The unfortunate fact of the matter is that Israel is going to keep killing babies, and the US president is going to support Israel, no matter who it is, for the foreseeable future.

            Your choice is if you’ll willingly accept the burden and do whatever you can nonetheless to help the most people domestically and globally – or if you’ll pretend you aren’t carrying the burden, and you’re willing to throw women, black Americans, brown Americans, gay Americans, trans Americans, etc under the bus to maintain that delusion.

            No matter what you do, if you pay taxes in the US, you’re funding infanticidal Israeli weapons. Democracy is shitty like that. The majority of people are uncomfortable with all the civilian deaths, but a majority still wants to fund weapons for them. Don’t like it? Grit your teeth, try to make a difference, and minimize any unnecessary support to Israel.

            There will be no leftist utopia except from the labor of blood soaked hands from those who understand there’s no other choice. I can only hope that one day my kids or their kids will be able to judge me without any hypocrisy, because we successfully made a world free of these awful realities.

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              I can only hope that one day my kids or their kids will be able to

              Libs over here acting like they’re going to have GRANDkids let alone kids. SMFH

              Burn down the MIC

              There is no other way

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                Going to tell you: History is not kind to leftists who kowtow to Fascists because they’ll “burn it down” (Look up Social Fascism)

                They end up with bullets in their heads rather than glorious revolution.

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                In case you’re wondering, for future reference, the reason why you never seem to find progressives who’ll vote for Biden or support the mainstream Democrat candidate is because when we try to earnestly explain our viewpoint and how we think we can help the most people, we just run into non serious memelords.

                But on the bright side, it wasn’t wasted time on my part. People still saw what I had to say, and you made it look all the wiser. Shame that you’ve only continued to drain supporters from your “burn it down” caucus though.

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                  You still live in a delusion that playing by their rules will somehow fix any of this shit (not to mention the selfish act of having 2 generations into WWIII)

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                    Playing by their rules may not be the fastest or most efficient way to fix our problems, but it is the method that will hurt the fewest innocent and poor people along the way. I refuse to sacrifice the working class so that we can save the working class. Especially since human nature is likely to just make modest improvements for the working class and just establish a new ruling class.

                    You really need to lighten up a bit. Are we headed for turmoil? Yes. But are we headed for mass human extinction and world war? Likely not.

                    Having kids is what forces society to be selfless. I find myself willing to personally sacrifice a whole lot for today’s youth, and I don’t have any kids of my own. I’m probably not going to reap the full rewards of our efforts to fix climate change. The kids are though. Children force us to have hope for the future, that things can get better, because it makes us want things to get better. I want my trials and tribulations today to only be in textbooks in the future.

                    Once again, you need to lighten up. You’ve lost sight of what you’re even fighting for. You aren’t trying to save or help people, you’re trying to win against the capitalists at all costs. Without the former, the latter just makes you a different flavor of them.

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          Biden didn’t beat shit. He had the DNC machine tell all the other candidates to drop out and put their full support behind Biden and have the media machine pump out story after story about Biden’s miraculous turnaround. Biden beat the other candidates in the same way Putin scored 8 goals in a hockey game.