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      Yeah this shouldn’t be surprising at all. Democrats fall in love (or don’t vote), Republicans fall in line (and vote every time).

      You can see the in-fighting here in the fediverse already. The hardcore leftists saying they “can’t support genocide” and getting mad at progressives for not being left enough. The right wing machine has been pushing the country to the right since 1970 and the “left” (what exists of it) was caught completely unaware and is only waking up now.

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        And yet, for all you say, one doesn’t pull the overton window left by moving right to fill that gap

        Biden has gone far enough right, that compared to even a decade ago, he’s now a conservative. that’s where centrist democrats are. They’ve happily filled the gap. Republicans aren’t conservative any more- that is to say, they’re not seeking to maintain the status quo. They’re regressives seeking to drag us backwards.

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            Okay, so instead of a fast plummet to fascism, you’re cool with the slow-slide into fascism as Biden fails to defend our voting and civil rights?

            Virtually every civil-rights and voting-rights promises he’s made has either stalled or just been forgotten entirely. We are approaching the point where it’s - literally - do or die. you don’t win fights by staying defensive. You need to be offensive and make wins.

            Biden is not doing that. Has not been able to do that, even with both the senate and the house nominally under democrat control- albeit with extremely tight margins

            So, to you point, electing Biden is also standing around while fascists do their thing… Biden may not be playing the fiddle, but he’s not putting out the fires, either.

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              Umm, so you prefer the fast plummet into fascism? Yeah, I’m not cool with that.

              You get to choose the lesser of two evils. And, no, refusing to choose isn’t an option; failure to vote for the lesser evil will benefit the worse one. So, unless you’re actually in favor of things going to hell as fast as possible, your entire argument is bunk.

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                The lesser of two evils is still evil, and in point of fact, the entire fucking reason we’re in this fucking mess.

                We need something different, and that means not the guy who promised to not change anything.

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          How has Biden gone right? He’s clearly farther left than Obama or Clinton. Even Bernie has said that Biden is a much more progressive president than he was a senator.

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        The right wing machine has been pushing the country to the right since 1970

        Right! If Dwight Eisenhower were alive today the right would tar him as a radical liberal communist because of his policies. The only right wing policies today are hate, anger, fear and more hate. Seems our hard core leftists are caught up in the hate/fear cycle too.

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        To be fair it’s possible a lot of that sentiment on here is astroturfing or people who are anti US trying to stir things up. If you check back in their content history they usually only post divisive stuff about the same few topics and reply agreement to other people doing the same thing.