The White House said Sunday that “it’s the right time” for Israel to scale back its military offensive in the Gaza Strip, as Israeli leaders again vowed to press ahead with their operation against the territory’s ruling Hamas militant group.

The comments exposed the growing differences between the close allies on the 100th day of the war.

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    i honestly don’t know how people can still hold sympathy for them

    not generalizing but the facts speak for themselves

    like bro they elected them and polls show that even after rape and murder and beheadings of oct 7 they still support them, even saudis are begging you to finish it once and for all but you still hold on for that tiny-tiny %

    like can we stop pressuring israel to hold back? it is just increasing the costa nd delaying the conflict.

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      The majority of the population in Gaza was not born when Hamas “won the election” (which, by the way, was supported by Israel). Then now they have no choice but to “show support” in polls because Hamas is authoritarian. That’s like saying the majority of North Koreans are supportive of Kim Jong Un’s government because the polls say he has a 100% approval rating.

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      Those babies in the hospitals didn’t vote for anyone. Besides, a war crime is a war crime even if the target “deserved” it.

      A whole population doesn’t deserve to be punished for the crimes of some of them. It’s the kind of barbaric evil practised by dictators.

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        Gaza has chosen to completely blur the boundaries between combatants, locations used for terrorist attacks and the civilian population. They expected to Israel to just sit on their hands and go “duh, guess we’ll have to accept them kidnapping people and wildly shooting missiles at us.”

        That was a fucking dumb expectation and now everyone there has to pay for it.

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          That was a fucking dumb expectation and now everyone there has to pay for it.

          You might say they are being punished collectively. Like collective punishment. Aka a war crime

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            Maybe Israel Hams could… Not starve them. Maybe let them actually have an economy. These things would really help.

            Ungodly amounts of money were pumped into Gaza and all they have to show for it is tunnels for terrorists to hide in, weapons caches in every house and thousands of rockets. Is that supposed to be the “economy” of Gaza?

            Uh… I know your ilk don’t care about the facts, but October 7th was legitimate resistance.

            Also there is no need for you to respond, this outs you as a disgusting creature completely lost to any form of reason.

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              Ungodly amounts of money were pumped into Gaza

              Which doesn’t help when you can’t actually use it to buy things. Israel’s blockade is calculated so it keeps Gaza on the brink of collapse after aid.

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            Who said anything about tanks and planes? Stop that nonsense. How about wearing some sort of uniform to make them distinguishable from civilians instead of running around in tracksuits hiding weapons? They love to dress up like soldiers for photo ops and parades but when push comes to shove they wear adidas and sneakers.

            They decided to play war dressed as civilians and hide among them - a war crime that expectedly makes civilians into potential targets.

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              Oh so that’s why Israel has leveled city blocks? That’s why they have killed 1 out of 100 of every Palestinian? That’s why the starve them, take away their electricity, aid, and water? The “was crimes” that is just guerilla warfare is puny in comparison to the atrocities that Israel commits on the daily, for the last 70 years.

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                That’s why they have killed 1 out of 100 of every Palestinian? That’s why the starve them, take away their electricity, aid, and water?

                That’s on Hamas. They steal all the aid and murder the people living there. They misfire their rockets on their “own” people trying to harm Israel. Go direct your complaints at them - they can stop the war.

                And I see how you just completely ignore the fact that Hamas war crimes directly lead to the civilian populace becoming a target. Engaging in combat dressed as a civilian is not “guerilla” warfare - even those wear their uniforms to act within the Geneva Conventions. What Hamas does is just plain old terrorism.

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        then why did they allow them to move south and not just finish them there?

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      Uh… I know your ilk don’t care about the facts, but October 7th was legitimate resistance. That’s why it targeted military facilities, and why even after the IDF shot and shelled their own citizens 33% of casualties were military targets. Not denying that too many atrocities were committed, but “October 7th was a terrorist attack” is basically Israeli propaganda at this point.

      But even if that wasn’t the case, stop supporting genocide.

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        “October 7th was a terrorist attack” is basically Israeli propaganda at this point.

        Let me see you try telling that to the folks who were at the music festival.

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          I did say I acknowledge and condemn all atrocities that were committed. However, that and the idea that October 7th as a whole was a terrorist attack are different things, because to say October 7th was a terrorist attack is to deny the concrete military goals it had or, alternatively, claim that in addition to these goals it had the goal of killing civilians. The distinction is important because “Hamas soldiers committed atrocities on October 7th” and “October 7th was legitimate resistance” aren’t mutually exclusive, but “October 7th was a terrorist attack” and “October 7th was legitimate resistance” are.

          Also, the IDF killed their fair share of civilians at the festival, so blaming all the casualties on Hamas requires numbers that Israel refuses to release or denies altogether.