• xor
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      38
      ·
      10 months ago

      But they can use that to secure cheap debt, and use those investments as effective capital.

      The fact it isn’t technically money in a bank account doesn’t really matter, because it can be leveraged as if it were

    • prole@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      15
      ·
      10 months ago

      It represents the money in their pockets to literally anyone and anything that matters. They can secure multimillion dollar homes with that “fake” money. They can finance yachts, fancy cars, more houses, etc. Whatever the fuck rich people waste their money on.

      So for all intents and purposes, it makes no difference does it?

    • Whelks_chance@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      10 months ago

      Capital gains tax exists. Whenever they liquidate any assets, they should be taxed heavily. That’s just a start.

      • Mamertine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        10 months ago

        Yes, but the ultra wealthy rarely are subject to taxes. They have no income. Their wealth is tied up in stocks, and they rarely sell the stocks therefore nearly never opening themselves to capital gains taxes.

        They then borrow against the stocks for spending money. When they want more money, the refinance and get a bigger loan. The loan is only paid off by their estate after they die. The bank is happy to accommodate, because they’re willing to play the long game.

        If you tax loans as income, you’d be screwing over the middle class who need mortgages to get ahead.

        • jj4211@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          10 months ago

          You could tax loans as income with some limitations. Things like whether the collateral is primary residence vs other property versus stock. Based on amount of loan or assessed value of collateral.

          Perhaps with some tax credit on repayment to model the potential for “real” taxed income being used to repay a debt.

          There are ways to maybe wrangle borrowing as income just like we wrangle income in interesting ways.

          • Mamertine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            10 months ago

            There are ways to maybe wrangle borrowing as income just like we wrangle income in interesting ways.

            Ooh there definitely could be a way to track that.

            The rich write the laws though.