This “war” has me thoroughly confused. Not taking sides, nor taking a “both sides” stance. Struggling to look at this logically.
What does anyone expect either side to do here? For the sake of argument, let’s ignore the history (as much as possible) and the coulda/shoulda talk. It’s 01/12/24. Moving forward, what now?
Hamas is deeply embedded in the civilian infrastructure and population. Militarily being the underdogs, that’s sensible for them.
Hamas does not play “fair”. And again, as underdogs, it would be insane to expect them to do so. Not like they’re going to strap on a uniform. Would you?
Israel is righteously enraged. Of course they are.
Israel’s troopers and leadership have a, “Kill 'em all, let god sort 'em out.” attitude. And they’ve made that plain. Fair or not, I get the emotion.
Israel feels if they don’t smash Hamas flat, the terrorism will continue over and over again for another several decades. That seems true to me. Has been my whole life.
Can’t see any way either side “wins” this thing. And what does winning even look like? I can’t see an end of this until one side or the other is kicked out of the Levant. Does that mean genocide? Seems like it. And Israel isn’t exactly denying it with their actions.
I’ve never seen a conflict where I felt so hopeless for a permanent resolution. All the times I’ve seen peace brought to the table, wrecked, over and over and over again.
FWIW, I wish my country (US) would stop pumping arms and money to Israel. I cannot justify our aid in any way. This is Israel’s fight, for good or for evil.
That’s easy. Stop occupying Palestine. That’s been Palestinians’ demand for more than 50 years. The idea that this conflict is hopeless is embedded in the notion that the status quo needs to stay, which tends to ignore the fact that the status quo puts Palestinians in an open-air concentration camp and a bunch of Bantustans.
Ya. This only ends one of two ways, either Israel succeeds in killing /displacing the people of Gaza (West Bank and Golem Heights next) and fills it with people loyal to them, or they stop the occupation. Terrorist groups don’t do well in stable, prosperous nations. If they really want Hamas and groups like them gone forever, they will have to take the winds out of their sails by letting the Palestinians have a real government with real control over itself. Even if they meet their stated goal of “destroying Hamas”, it (or another similar but even more extreme) group will take over.
Terrorist groups don’t do well in stable, prosperous nations.
take the winds out of their sails by letting the Palestinians have a real government with real control over itself
Now that’s the kinda hope I was looking for! Can’t see Israel going for that, but that’s a solid solution. Devil and details and all, but a prosperous Palestine would suck for the terrorists.
But keep in mind, the Arab world does not want a prosperous Palestine. For exactly the reasons you stated.
This “war” has me thoroughly confused. Not taking sides, nor taking a “both sides” stance. Struggling to look at this logically.
What does anyone expect either side to do here? For the sake of argument, let’s ignore the history (as much as possible) and the coulda/shoulda talk. It’s 01/12/24. Moving forward, what now?
Can’t see any way either side “wins” this thing. And what does winning even look like? I can’t see an end of this until one side or the other is kicked out of the Levant. Does that mean genocide? Seems like it. And Israel isn’t exactly denying it with their actions.
I’ve never seen a conflict where I felt so hopeless for a permanent resolution. All the times I’ve seen peace brought to the table, wrecked, over and over and over again.
FWIW, I wish my country (US) would stop pumping arms and money to Israel. I cannot justify our aid in any way. This is Israel’s fight, for good or for evil.
That’s easy. Stop occupying Palestine. That’s been Palestinians’ demand for more than 50 years. The idea that this conflict is hopeless is embedded in the notion that the status quo needs to stay, which tends to ignore the fact that the status quo puts Palestinians in an open-air concentration camp and a bunch of Bantustans.
Ya. This only ends one of two ways, either Israel succeeds in killing /displacing the people of Gaza (West Bank and Golem Heights next) and fills it with people loyal to them, or they stop the occupation. Terrorist groups don’t do well in stable, prosperous nations. If they really want Hamas and groups like them gone forever, they will have to take the winds out of their sails by letting the Palestinians have a real government with real control over itself. Even if they meet their stated goal of “destroying Hamas”, it (or another similar but even more extreme) group will take over.
Now that’s the kinda hope I was looking for! Can’t see Israel going for that, but that’s a solid solution. Devil and details and all, but a prosperous Palestine would suck for the terrorists.
But keep in mind, the Arab world does not want a prosperous Palestine. For exactly the reasons you stated.