Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses.  As the first post in the series discusses, the "free fediverses" are regions of the fediverse that reject Meta and surveillance capitalism, and these strategies position the free fediverses as an alternative to Threads and "Meta's fediverses". Join the discussion in the

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/7477620

Transitive defederation – defederating from instances that federate with Threads as well as defederating from Threads – isn’t likely to be an all-or-nothing thing in the free fediverses. Tradeoffs are different for different people and instances. This is one of the strengths of the fediverse, so however much transitive defederation there winds up being, I see it as overall as a positive thing – although also messy and complicated.

The recommendation here is for instances to consider #TransitiveDefederation: discuss, and decide what to do. I’ve also got some thoughts on how to have the discussion – and the strategic aspects.

(Part 7 of Strategies for the free fediverses )

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    67·
    10 months ago

    Yeah, strong arming instances to do something or another based on a personal preference I thought was meta’s job, not the fediverses.

    The entire point is that each instance should decide for themselves. If they want to defederate with me because I haven’t made up my mind yet, then so long I guess, to me that says more about them then it does Meta.

    • balancedchaos@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      10 months ago

      As long as Meta can’t infect the rest of the fediverse, or track or monetize it…fine. I just never, ever want Meta shit on my timeline.

      • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
        20·
        10 months ago

        or track or monetize it

        Meta doesn’t need federation to track or monetize anything.

        I just never, ever want Meta shit on my timeline.

        You can personally block them. You don’t have to tell your admin to defederate the entire instance or defederate from other instances who choose not to.

      • Chozo@kbin.social
        5·
        10 months ago

        What sort of “Meta shit” would you possibly expect to appear on your timeline?

      • FaceDeer@kbin.social
        4·
        10 months ago

        So don’t subscribe to Meta-hosted communities?

        Lots of Fediverse instances let you block whole instances, too, so you could personally block them. Problem solved.

        • thecrotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          4·
          10 months ago

          I’ve learned that there’s a huge number of people on lemmy who prefer government regulation to self control. I had an argument with a guy the other day who wants $12 lattes banned instead of simply not buying them. Apparently making something available is the same as putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy it.

            • thecrotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
              4·
              10 months ago

              No, that is an example of an appropriate problem to solve with regulation. “If something I exists I must buy it and that is the vendor’s fault” is not.

                • thecrotch@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  3·
                  10 months ago

                  McDonald’s has a latte for $1 and Dunkin donuts has one for $2.65. It’s not an economy problem. It’s probably a pretty good latte. I dunno, never tried it, $12 is too much for sugar coffee.

    • The Nexus of PrivacyOPEnglish
      5·
      10 months ago

      Indeed, the entire point is that instances should decide for themselves – I say it multiple times in the article and I say it in the excerpt. If they think that you federating with Meta puts them at risk, then they should defederate. And yes, it says more about the instances making the decisions than it does about Meta – Meta’s hosting hate groups and white supremacists whether or not people defederate or transitively defederate.

      • fishos@lemmy.worldEnglish
        18·
        10 months ago

        Aren’t you from that instance that threw a tantrum recently and threatened to defed the programming instance because of a personal beef between the admins that was quickly resolved and only resulted in creating a bunch of needless drama?

        The above OP is right, it really says more about the servers advocating these things than Meta. Stop wallowing in the mud and just be better than them. Lead by example, not whatever this petty squabble is.

        • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
          4·
          10 months ago

          Thanks for getting what I was saying.

          I’m giving meta a 3 strike rule for my instance. Yes, I will probably eventually defederate with them - but I’m not going to immediately do it now. Yes, they’re a horrible company, horrible ethics, and I hate them. However, I’m not going to be one who just blocks them prematurely, they can prove themselves why they’re terrible to me. I’ll probably get overwhelmed with moderating and just cut it then.