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    With Biden, Democrats are mostly falling in line behind the genocide. It’s a bipartisan genocide, with even Bernie being unwilling to support a ceasefire. With Trump, on the other hand, Democrats would reverse course and actually support a ceasefire to obstruct Trump.

    -but that’s all speculation. I don’t know, for sure, that it would happen that way. What I do know is I won’t vote for genocide, and I will withhold my vote unless Biden changes his policy on Israel. I won’t vote for Trump, I’ll even vote Dem down ticket, but I won’t vote for genocide.

    You, on the other hand, are literally voting for genocide if you support Biden. You just want to absolve yourself of that moral responsibility.

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          We must always always always vote for the turd in every election, for if the turd doesn’t win we’ll be stuck with turd plus vomit.

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              So what is your alternative? Don’t choose the lesser evil and accept the greater evil? What rising up are you doing?

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                By not voting for Democrats one of two things will happen: Most likely they’ll continue shifting right because that’s what all those pro-corporate pieces of shit want to do anyway. Or the party will finally move to the left. I really don’t care which way they go. But I’m done rewarding them for being obstructionists.

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                    Funny that’s how I see all the people who went into the 2020 primaries and decided to vote for Joe Biden. How fucking privileged do you have to be to lose the 2016 election and then think “I’m still gonna vote for a procorporate trash candidate even though other people I’m depending on to win the general have made it perfectly clear they’re fed up with these procorporate trash candidates.”

                    People who voted for Joe Biden in the primaries are pieces of shit who apparently need to be reminded again: they need our votes to win.

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                Well if trump wins, it’s fascism and genocide and climate apocalypse. If Joe wins, it’s genocide and climate apocalypse. Y’all need to fuckin rise up lol.

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                    By “rise up,” what these kids mean is that they’ll stay home on Election Day and whine on the internet until they realize no one is listening. Then, they’ll cry their eyes out while asking “why!!!” when Trump wins.

                    Just like they did in 2016. You won’t be able to blame them though, because it won’t ever be their fault. They’re infallible.

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      You just want to absolve yourself of that moral responsibility.

      That’s exactly what you are doing. You’re focusing on this one issue, retreating yourself from the binary decision because neither options stands for what you (or I, or morality) would prefer. Completely ignoring that withdrawing from the choice plays into the hand of the infinitely worse candidate. So by not choosing, you do nothing to stop the situation in Gaza, but might actually make things a lot worse for people all over.

      You can virtue signal that you did not compromise on your believes, while actually helping your country make a worse place.

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        You’re focusing on this one issue

        We’ve raised lots of issues. The amounts of the stimulus checks, the way he fucked us over with the BBB, the way he negotiated down for student loan forgiveness, for fucking over the rail workers. The list goes on. Every time we mention something we get shut down. For someone who wants our votes so badly you have a really odd way of showing it.

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                I voted for Obama twice and Biden once. Call me whatever you want. At the end of the day, do you need my vote or not? If you want it I’ve given you the terms: don’t elect procorporate trash in the primaries.

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                    I’m fine with the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries electing him all by themselves in 2024. They fucked over my interests in the primaries so they can go fuck themselves in the general.

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        Like I said, there are so many other issues that Biden has betrayed me on. This is just the red line. Here and no further.

        You will let Biden do anything he wants to you and beg for more, just to stop Trump. It’s revolting.

        If enough Democrats pressured Biden to endorse a ceasefire by withholding their votes, he would! He’s a politician. That’s what politicians do. This is our only leverage! This is all we can do to stop the genocide, and I really think Biden would reconsider if it looked bad enough.

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            We slide farther to the right with each passing year regardless of which party wins. You all seem fine with the direction so we’re just upping the timeline. If you want to go in a different direction tell Joe Biden to stop fucking over voters he’s depending on. And tell anyone who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries they’re a fucking asshole.

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              I thank god I’m not this illiterate. What do you think Trump’s policy is gonna be? He caters to Republicans who WANT funding to Israel. He pushed the Overton window. What do you think he’s gonna do? Is he gonna weave them baskets and pick them flowers? 🤔

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                I think he’s going to be obstructed by Democrats, who I am voting for down ticket. I think he’s going to ruin Israel’s relations with the rest of the world and turn it into a pariah state. I think he’s going to overextend himself and fail. I think he’s a fat old man and might just die lol

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        Good job playing into the hands of the conservatives.

        Tell Joe Biden to stop fucking over voters he’s depending on.