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    • ExpertisePredicamentEnglish
      19·
      1 year ago

      As a non American, seeing people claim that not voting doesn’t help republicans is fucking hilarious. You’d think that after Trump winning in 2016 and stacking the supreme court, directly being the cause of abortion being outlawed in red states in the fucking 21st century (along with a host of other horrifying things), would make people actually fucking vote. But no here we are. Honestly I really hope you all get the government you want, but the longer I read politics posts on Lemmy the more I’m aghast at people who’d rather let it all burn down than aim for incremental positive change.

      Apologies for any bad English, just putting my thoughts out there.

      • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        >Honestly I really hope you all get the government you want, but the longer I read politics posts on Lemmy the more I’m aghast at people who’d rather let it all burn down than aim for incremental positive change.

        biden isn’t incremental positive change. he’s more of the same, and that’s exactly what got us trump in the first place.

      • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
        1·
        1 year ago

        You’d think that after Trump winning in 2016 and stacking the supreme court, directly being the cause of abortion being outlawed in red states in the fucking 21st century (along with a host of other horrifying things), would make people actually fucking vote.

        none of this has any bearing on whether voting for trump is the only way to help trump.

    • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
      10·
      1 year ago

      Man these libs suuuuure hate when you question their doctrine huh?

      Here’s a question for the one or two thinkers in this thread. I don’t want replies, because replies will carry with them egos and snark for the peanut gallery. These questions are for you, (and no-comprendo’s). Questions i had rolling around in my liberal brain before i transitioned to full troll or whatever liberals call leftists these days, questions that take time and reflection to answer.

      • If the Democrats only campaign to stop Republicans, but DON’T STOP the Republicans (only campaign to stop them), then when do we dem voters get to vote to help ourselves? Is there a timeline?

      • It has been 12 years of presidents, 12 long years of waiting, tightening our belts, “fighting for democracy”. Why does it seem like the voters are the only ones interested in preserving it?

      • The DGA and the HRC campaign both have paper trails showing they’ve attempted to elevate extremism in the Republican party. Considering this is still a tactic in use, here’s the million dollar question:

      • If the Democratic party could, would they keep running against a candidate like Trump every single election in the future?

      Edit: thank you, those of you who are thinking. We need more people out there like you doing that

      • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
        4·
        1 year ago

        It has been 12 years of presidents, 12 long years of waiting, tightening our belts, “fighting for democracy”. Why does it seem like the voters are the only ones interested in preserving it?

        So you were happy with first term Obama but not second term Obama?

        Am I reading this right?

        • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          1 year ago

          Lol you’re right. I was on a roll and added a whole term, oops! Let’s pretend i meant to include bidens second term, which makes me right and not wrong

                • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
                  3·
                  1 year ago

                  I got into politics more deeply than ever, going door to door for bernie back in '16. The verdict by the judge in 17 saying the DNC is a private entity caused me to no longer believe in the Dem’s primary process. The way HRC’s campaign wanted to control both her and trump coverage in the media, the podesta emails, and that whole related scandal really put a beat down on my whole belief system.

                  So i kept reading and thinking and adjusting my political worldview and here i am, arguing it on a small forum on the web (or cynically working tirelessly to helpTrump win, depending on your pov)

                  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
                    3·
                    1 year ago

                    Bernie didn’t have a chance to win, that’s why Trump desperately wanted to run against him.

                    He would have been great, but had no chance pulling in enough votes.

                • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  Oh yeah, but you can’t overestimate how much prop we get shoved down our throats. Kinda like McDs you don’t realize how shit it is for your system until you stop eating it daily

                  • HACKthePRISONS@kolektiva.social
                    2·
                    1 year ago

                    i don’t judge you for it, not really. i have friends who voted for hillary, and friends who voted for biden, and, hell, i voted for shapiro for AG ***AND*** governor even though i thought his AG term made him out to be a liar and a cop.

                    i’m not voting for him for president, though. fuck that.

    • YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub
      8·
      1 year ago

      I wonder why republicans spend so much time trying to get people not to vote. Purging rolls, being against mail in voting, closing polling stations, etc. Seems dumb given that people not voting doesn’t help them.

      Oh well. You probably know more about elections than them. Glad we have an expert in the house.