• boywar3@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    White hot take: All the “leftists” talking about how NATO shouldn’t exist and is evil are the same morons who think Americans shouldn’t vote for Biden on the grounds of him “not being left enough.”

    Like, yeah, NATO shouldn’t have to exist, but we see what happens when smaller countries don’t work together when near a larger/hostile neighbor. Same deal with voting for the (shitty) Democrats over Republicans: we know what happens when shitty people get into power, and it is painfully obvious they will do ANYTHING to keep power once in.

    Sometimes, the best we can do is “stop things from getting shittier” instead of “making things less shitty.”

    • gthutbwdy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      11 months ago

      “smaller countries don’t work together when near a larger/hostile neighbor” Classic propaganda, you are aware that US is alone much wealthier and has bigger population than Russia?

      NATO existing had an excuse when there was a Warsaw Pact, which was created to balance the powers of eastern and western block. After the fall of soviet union, it is just Russia (and Belarus in this war) and NATO should have been disbanded because clearly Russia is no threat to Europe and certainly not US, it can’t even win it’s idiot war against Ukraine.

      Classic propaganda on each side is just pointing out other sides flaws, not accepting that all of us live in countries run by imperialistic governments. NATO is involved in far many wars in fighting for their own interests around the World then Russia and are funding Israel and Saudi Arabia, two most horrific countries in the World. There is no excuse for NATO as there is no excuse for Russia.

      It amazes me that after two World wars started by the west, people still believe in this idiotic propaganda like they are the victims. Both are horrible, one is far bigger then the other, but both are horrible.

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      11 months ago

      It’s kind of like in the prisoner’s dilemma. That kind of leftist is only cooperating (which in a perfect world would be the best option) but because of that is easily taken advantage of. Conservatives mostly see stuff as a zero-sum game and always choose to defect and make sure they at least don’t lose which in the long term is also horrible.

      People ‘just’ need to accept that the world is not black and white and neither perfectly good nor completely bad either and that you achieve more with cooperation but can’t be a pushover either…