Oh 20% of people aren’t subjected to inhumane restrictions and have access to basic needs? Wow,
You’re moving the goalposts, we were talking about whether it’s apartheid. People of the same racial group who aren’t violent are being treated better than a group of people who are violent. It’s clearly not about racial hierarchy, apartheid, it’s about a nation literally trying to murder and genocide them for the last 70 years being subjected to restrictions.
Israel must not be doing anything wrong, totally the most moral army in the world.
Never claimed they were the most moral in the world, or that they do nothing wrong, but they have shown an amazing amount of restraint over the years. I’m not aware of any other forces that often call and give warning to civilians before they bomb. As I have shown above, when the shoe was on the other foot, Palestinian forces showed no such restraint.
I don’t support Hamas, but saying that all of Palestine is responsible for the actions of some is the literal definition of collective punishment.
That’s how war between nations works. When a government goes to war, everyone under their leadership in their territory shares the consequences of this. You seem to be implying that every war, ever, is collective punishment and therefore a war crime.
Let’s not forget that Hamas was once elected by Gazans and still has popular support in Palestine (74%, it went up after Oct 7.) I feel bad for the 26% who are stuck there with Hamas and their supporters, the rest are evidently getting what they want.
You said it yourself, Israel is the more powerful military and has held the governmental power in the region for recent history, but Hamas is the one doing genocide??
Hamas is clearly and openly advocating for genocide, (citation above,) they simply lack the means. Israel denies they are. Just because they are at the losing end of asymmetrical warfare does not make them the good guys, in this case the underdog wants genocide and if they ever get the upper hand again, I have no doubt they will commit it.
How the fuck do you expect an entire region that has been stripped of their rights, water, food, housing, culture, history, and family to react?
I’d expect them to be pissed off but acknowledge the realities of their situation and try to hold on to what they still have, and get back their rights and autonomy through peaceful negotiations. However, polls indicate they want endless intifada, all or nothing, and this is where that road leads.
You’re the one moving goal posts and ignoring the 80% of people experiencing apartheid. What else do you call the sanctions on the west bank? Is this another “special military operation”? You’re harping on Hamas but ignore everything Israel has done to create this conflict.
I love how Palestine is expected to peacefully negotiate with people forcing them from their homes and keeping basic human needs from the majority of the population. Like should I ask my rapist to please kindly stop raping?
You’re a sack of shit dude. And yes, every war is unjust and wrong on both sides. Every US president is a war criminal, but that doesn’t mean every American should pay for those crimes.
There is absolutely nothing that Hamas or Palestinians could do to Israel that justifies bombing one for the most densely populated areas in the world. The response does not match the crime and the fact that you are still staunchly supporting an apartheid state tells me that you’re not worth arguing with.
Go fuck yourself, zionists have no place in a peaceful world
I love how Palestine is expected to peacefully negotiate with people forcing them from their homes and keeping basic human needs from the majority of the population.
Well it’s an improvement over the status quo: declare war on Israel, lose land, have restrictions imposed, repeat. If they keep this up and ignore the realities of their situation there will be no Palestine, and that would be a shame for everyone. One cannot win wars with moral outrage alone.
Like should I ask my rapist to please kindly stop raping?
Distasteful analogy, making literal rapists into metaphorical victims of rape.
And yes, every war is unjust and wrong on both sides. Every US president is a war criminal, but that doesn’t mean every American should pay for those crimes.
That’s usually how wars go, who do you think pays reparations, the elected representative or the taxpayer? Who do you think will suffer the consequences of destroyed infrastructure? Who do you think will have their loved ones returned in body bags? Citizens, who must face the consequences of the decisions their government makes. Let’s not pretend this isn’t so.
There is absolutely nothing that Hamas or Palestinians could do to Israel that justifies bombing one for the most densely populated areas in the world.
So they should have done what instead, let them get away with Oct 7 with impunity? Sent in ground forces into a guerilla terrorist den without air support causing high casualties? Good thing you’re not in charge. I suspect if it were your nation that was attacked like that you’d feel differently.
You’re a sack of shit dude. … Go fuck yourself, zionists have no place in a peaceful world
I share my position respectfully and cite sources, you yell and scream and call me a sack of shit. My bad for trying to have a reasonable conversation with those who disagree, I guess.
The response does not match the crime and the fact that you are still staunchly supporting an apartheid state tells me that you’re not worth arguing with.
The fact that you behave this way makes me agree, not that Israel is an apartheid state, that you’re not worth arguing with. Good day, be better.
You’re moving the goalposts, we were talking about whether it’s apartheid. People of the same racial group who aren’t violent are being treated better than a group of people who are violent. It’s clearly not about racial hierarchy, apartheid, it’s about a nation literally trying to murder and genocide them for the last 70 years being subjected to restrictions.
Never claimed they were the most moral in the world, or that they do nothing wrong, but they have shown an amazing amount of restraint over the years. I’m not aware of any other forces that often call and give warning to civilians before they bomb. As I have shown above, when the shoe was on the other foot, Palestinian forces showed no such restraint.
That’s how war between nations works. When a government goes to war, everyone under their leadership in their territory shares the consequences of this. You seem to be implying that every war, ever, is collective punishment and therefore a war crime.
Let’s not forget that Hamas was once elected by Gazans and still has popular support in Palestine (74%, it went up after Oct 7.) I feel bad for the 26% who are stuck there with Hamas and their supporters, the rest are evidently getting what they want.
Hamas is clearly and openly advocating for genocide, (citation above,) they simply lack the means. Israel denies they are. Just because they are at the losing end of asymmetrical warfare does not make them the good guys, in this case the underdog wants genocide and if they ever get the upper hand again, I have no doubt they will commit it.
I’d expect them to be pissed off but acknowledge the realities of their situation and try to hold on to what they still have, and get back their rights and autonomy through peaceful negotiations. However, polls indicate they want endless intifada, all or nothing, and this is where that road leads.
You’re the one moving goal posts and ignoring the 80% of people experiencing apartheid. What else do you call the sanctions on the west bank? Is this another “special military operation”? You’re harping on Hamas but ignore everything Israel has done to create this conflict.
I love how Palestine is expected to peacefully negotiate with people forcing them from their homes and keeping basic human needs from the majority of the population. Like should I ask my rapist to please kindly stop raping?
You’re a sack of shit dude. And yes, every war is unjust and wrong on both sides. Every US president is a war criminal, but that doesn’t mean every American should pay for those crimes.
There is absolutely nothing that Hamas or Palestinians could do to Israel that justifies bombing one for the most densely populated areas in the world. The response does not match the crime and the fact that you are still staunchly supporting an apartheid state tells me that you’re not worth arguing with.
Go fuck yourself, zionists have no place in a peaceful world
Well it’s an improvement over the status quo: declare war on Israel, lose land, have restrictions imposed, repeat. If they keep this up and ignore the realities of their situation there will be no Palestine, and that would be a shame for everyone. One cannot win wars with moral outrage alone.
Distasteful analogy, making literal rapists into metaphorical victims of rape.
That’s usually how wars go, who do you think pays reparations, the elected representative or the taxpayer? Who do you think will suffer the consequences of destroyed infrastructure? Who do you think will have their loved ones returned in body bags? Citizens, who must face the consequences of the decisions their government makes. Let’s not pretend this isn’t so.
So they should have done what instead, let them get away with Oct 7 with impunity? Sent in ground forces into a guerilla terrorist den without air support causing high casualties? Good thing you’re not in charge. I suspect if it were your nation that was attacked like that you’d feel differently.
I share my position respectfully and cite sources, you yell and scream and call me a sack of shit. My bad for trying to have a reasonable conversation with those who disagree, I guess.
The fact that you behave this way makes me agree, not that Israel is an apartheid state, that you’re not worth arguing with. Good day, be better.
“be better”
look in the mirror before you pass judgement onto others, I’m not the one defending a disgusting apartheid state and their war crimes