Wheres the lie? He says theres no red line Israel could cross that they wouldnt have US support (He’s conding their slaughter), one of the 2 purposes for the Thanksgiving ceasefire was to replenish arms (providing weapons), and has authorized additional money (funding) for the apartheid terrorists to keep fighting
The problem is that you can’t really get rid of a terrorist organizational with violence unless you kill everyone in a group they draw from, violence will just radicalize more people. The only way to get rid of Hamas is with better conditions for the people of Palestine so they won’t radicalize.
Yet what is happening now will only cause more radicalisation or the death of most Palestinians. After the brutality Israel has shown those 2 are the only possible outcomes.
Also the leadership of Hamas isn’t in Gaza so not much chance of them dieing.
How dumb can you be? You think the right gives a FUCK about consistency? It makes Joe look bad that’s all they need.
Furthermore, Biden has been instrumental in cease fires and the like but what is he supposed to do when Hamas continues to break agreements? Yes giving Israel arms without conditions is fucked up but Biden has been very vocal about what the IDF is doing is unacceptable and pleads for them to hold back and avoid the same mistakes we made post 9/11.
It’s an extremely complex political issue, you dress it up like Biden is waving a goddamn Bibi flag and cheering him on.
By painting such a complicated issue black and white you do yourself and your perspective a disservice. You have good points but you just shit on them because of how reductive you choose to be.
Anyone calling this situation a genocide is ignorant.
West Bank is arguably a slow moving Genocide. Gaza was left alone for the most part until militants / terrorists attacked from Gaza.
This here is just your standard military operation. Yeah, it’s bloody and deadly. That’s not what a genocide is. Even a massive bombing campaign (ex: Tokyo firebombs or Hiroshima) are not genocides.
A genocide is an attack on the people in an attempt to make a culture extinct. Trail of Tears, Holocaust, etc. Etc. Are genocides. Intent matters, meaning matters.
Ie: Death to Israel is a literal genocidal chant. No one is calling for death to Palestine. This entire situation is so backwards is laughable.
Then why is Israel saying they intend to keep Gaza?
What else do you call cutting off people’s power, food, and water?
What else do you call telling people that an area is a safe zone and then bombing it anyway?
What do you call mass indiscriminate bombings?
But don’t worry, they will slow walk it enough that people like you can deny it until they are already gone and then people like you will tell us “Well, that’s all in the past, we should just forgive them now and move on.”
Israel controls food, water and electricity because Gaza is so poor they don’t have their own food, water or electricity. When a poor pseudo-State attacks literally the country providing them food / water and electricity, we call that ‘Gaza/Hamas being a dumbass’. Israel is under no circumstance should be forced into giving aid to the people who declared war upon them.
Maybe next time, before killing thousands of Israel’s, the leaders of Gaza can try I dunno, establishing a food/fuel/electricity deal with Egypt first?
Oh that’s right, Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the people so they’re actually stealing the food and fuel for themselves. Last time Israel was building pipes for water for Gaza, Hamas literally dug up the pipes and turned them into rockets. Israel literally cannot give these people any aid as long as Hamas is in power, because all aid becomes perverted into weapons by Hamas. So what the fuck is Israel supposed to do about that?
Mass indiscriminate bombings is mass indiscriminate bombings. Ya know, like Tokyo Firebombs or what we did in Vietnam. There’s nothing genocidal about that, it’s ‘just’ war.
Israel has genocidal tendencies in the West Bank so yes, we need to keep our eyes out. But what you see here isn’t genocide. It’s just war, the war that Hamas wanted and still wants to happen.
Genocide is when you try to kill off a culture or entire group of people. All these bombs won’t do that actually. Tokyo recovered for example and I promise you far more people and civilians died in the Tokyo Firebombing campaign.
Is Israel brutal? Yes. But this isn’t new news at all. But calling this a genocide is just counterproductive and only demonstrates your sides ignorance to world matters.
You can hide behind whatever words you want to try to make you feel better.
I may not be able to stop it, but to my dying day I will do my best to make sure never to support israel .
I will encourage everyone I know to do the same.
I will make sure that future generations see that israel is no longer deserving of our help, only our disdain for their killing of innocents.
For their mockery of innocent children dying in pain, pouring out water just to taunt people who are without, and calling them animals, and if the “nation” of israel falls, well I guess I’ll have a coke.
Because they don’t actually know what Genocide is, and they’re really bad at alliteration / word games.
In any case, it’s not Democrats who do this, but far left Gen Z tiktokers who are seemingly too young to understand foreign policy.
We support Israel because they are an ally on the world stage, and are one of Israel’s few allies. It is a bad idea to throw away our friendship to Israel especially after they were attacked.
But this friendship has costs. Israel always was rather militant. So if they get attacked, they disproportionally attack back. Furthermore, Hamas wants this to happen (Hamas still rejects ceasefires, calls to return hostages, and are raiding the aid packages to Palestinian civilians).
Not even to the technologically superior one who has given us a lot of military support and is key to our foreign policy goals in the Middle East?
Let’s say we abandon Israel. Who the fuck do we ally with in the Middle East? The anti-women Saudis who literally created the Wahhabi Islam that empowered Bin Laden? Iraq or Afghanistan? Iran hates us too.
Our alliance with Israel is out of larger scale necessity and long term friendship. For all of the faults of them (and yes, this war in Gaza is exceptionally brutal, though not genocidal), Israel has military power, military intelligence, and technology that we are borrowing.
Intel / Mobileye / etc.etc. are from Israel. Some of the most important technologies of our society are from Israel.
When both suck, but one is a good friend and has tech that we want, being friends with the powerful and technologically advanced is just a winning strategy.
One of those two parties has the power to end this conflict over night, and yet for decades they’ve done nothing but create more illegal settlements, and murder more Palestinian civilians.
One of those two parties has the power to end this conflict over night
Indeed. Egypt has proposed a peace plan and… Oh right. Hamas rejected it. Okay, well, if Hamas can’t even accept a peace plan crafted by a majority-Muslim country like Egypt what the hell do you expect Israel to do?
Now how about this, you start talking about which countries should try to step in and negotiate the peace deal between Hamas and Israel, and how this peace can actually be crafted. We just tried the Egyptian approach (with help from Qatar) and that’s floundering.
Or was there something in the Egyptian / Qatar peace plan that looked unfair for the Palestinians to you?
What do you expect him to do? Biden has already called for Netanyahu to resign. Do you want him to send the U.S. military in to fight the Israeli military in defense of people that want the United States to burn?
We don’t just sell weapons on the fly, there are specific agreements and contracts. It’s not just a simple “no more” situation.
The bottom line is Israel is a key part of the US defense machine, integration like that makes it extremely non-trivial to adjust in a reactionary manner.
But go off, tell us how easy the solution truly is
He’s not, and it’s not going to stick no matter how hard you try.
I know it’s a tall order for conservatives, but you guys really gotta start getting more creative with the names. Putting an adjective in front of a person’s first name is like bottom tier effort.
So if the national truly is between one of them and your duty as a citizen is to vote to reduce the impact damage from a bad president, you are just not going to vote?
Shame on you, people like you are why Trump was able to obtain power in the first place. Your apathy is dooming this already fragile democracy. Don’t give me that third candidate shit, not when a dictatorship is looming.
people like you are why Trump was able to obtain power in the first place.
no, trump voters are the reason trump was able to gain power. also, the fact that we live in a liberal democracy helped. given the option i would abolish our liberal democracy.
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If you haven’t noticed he is not saving Palestine, he’s funding and providing the weapons for their slaughter
Is there any other option that won’t make the war worse?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-iaf-was-airbone-for-preemptive-hezbollah-hit-when-biden-talked-pm-out-of-it/
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-says-palestinian-authority-should-ultimately-govern-gaza-west-bank-2023-11-18/
Zionists could go back home to Europe and leave the region
And that has to do with Biden how? Do you want him to personally force the zionists out? As an American politician?
That is reductive as fuck, you have a good point so why lie by omission and ruin it?
Wheres the lie? He says theres no red line Israel could cross that they wouldnt have US support (He’s conding their slaughter), one of the 2 purposes for the Thanksgiving ceasefire was to replenish arms (providing weapons), and has authorized additional money (funding) for the apartheid terrorists to keep fighting
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The problem is that you can’t really get rid of a terrorist organizational with violence unless you kill everyone in a group they draw from, violence will just radicalize more people. The only way to get rid of Hamas is with better conditions for the people of Palestine so they won’t radicalize.
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Yet what is happening now will only cause more radicalisation or the death of most Palestinians. After the brutality Israel has shown those 2 are the only possible outcomes.
Also the leadership of Hamas isn’t in Gaza so not much chance of them dieing.
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They are going to run out of Palestinians before they run out of Hamas at this rate though that may be by design.
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And leave Palestinians defenceless? So you condone the genocide being committed by your blue fascist AND you want to accelerate their demise?
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They refuse to aid and accept Palestinians because Palestinians ready have their own land, that’s been stolen
I get what you’re saying but Biden sure as hell isn’t saving Palestine anytime soon. He’s a self-proclaimed Zionist.
There’s a reason he’s called genocide Joe.
Is it because the rightwing machine has decided that’s the name they’re going with because their dumbfuck base loves alliteration?
No, it’s because he’s currently funding and supporting genocide. Also why would the right wing even support Palestine?
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How dumb can you be? You think the right gives a FUCK about consistency? It makes Joe look bad that’s all they need.
Furthermore, Biden has been instrumental in cease fires and the like but what is he supposed to do when Hamas continues to break agreements? Yes giving Israel arms without conditions is fucked up but Biden has been very vocal about what the IDF is doing is unacceptable and pleads for them to hold back and avoid the same mistakes we made post 9/11.
It’s an extremely complex political issue, you dress it up like Biden is waving a goddamn Bibi flag and cheering him on.
By painting such a complicated issue black and white you do yourself and your perspective a disservice. You have good points but you just shit on them because of how reductive you choose to be.
Shame.
No it’s because of his support of genocide.
Hell I had never even heard of it when I started using it
Why would the Democrats themselves label him genocide Joe?
Because we are sick of him aiding the commission of genocide?
Anyone calling this situation a genocide is ignorant.
West Bank is arguably a slow moving Genocide. Gaza was left alone for the most part until militants / terrorists attacked from Gaza.
This here is just your standard military operation. Yeah, it’s bloody and deadly. That’s not what a genocide is. Even a massive bombing campaign (ex: Tokyo firebombs or Hiroshima) are not genocides.
A genocide is an attack on the people in an attempt to make a culture extinct. Trail of Tears, Holocaust, etc. Etc. Are genocides. Intent matters, meaning matters.
Ie: Death to Israel is a literal genocidal chant. No one is calling for death to Palestine. This entire situation is so backwards is laughable.
Then why is Israel saying they intend to keep Gaza?
What else do you call cutting off people’s power, food, and water?
What else do you call telling people that an area is a safe zone and then bombing it anyway?
What do you call mass indiscriminate bombings?
But don’t worry, they will slow walk it enough that people like you can deny it until they are already gone and then people like you will tell us “Well, that’s all in the past, we should just forgive them now and move on.”
Conquest is not genocide. Conquest is conquest.
Israel controls food, water and electricity because Gaza is so poor they don’t have their own food, water or electricity. When a poor pseudo-State attacks literally the country providing them food / water and electricity, we call that ‘Gaza/Hamas being a dumbass’. Israel is under no circumstance should be forced into giving aid to the people who declared war upon them.
Maybe next time, before killing thousands of Israel’s, the leaders of Gaza can try I dunno, establishing a food/fuel/electricity deal with Egypt first?
Oh that’s right, Hamas doesn’t give a shit about the people so they’re actually stealing the food and fuel for themselves. Last time Israel was building pipes for water for Gaza, Hamas literally dug up the pipes and turned them into rockets. Israel literally cannot give these people any aid as long as Hamas is in power, because all aid becomes perverted into weapons by Hamas. So what the fuck is Israel supposed to do about that?
Israel has genocidal tendencies in the West Bank so yes, we need to keep our eyes out. But what you see here isn’t genocide. It’s just war, the war that Hamas wanted and still wants to happen.
Genocide is when you try to kill off a culture or entire group of people. All these bombs won’t do that actually. Tokyo recovered for example and I promise you far more people and civilians died in the Tokyo Firebombing campaign.
Is Israel brutal? Yes. But this isn’t new news at all. But calling this a genocide is just counterproductive and only demonstrates your sides ignorance to world matters.
You can hide behind whatever words you want to try to make you feel better.
I may not be able to stop it, but to my dying day I will do my best to make sure never to support israel .
I will encourage everyone I know to do the same.
I will make sure that future generations see that israel is no longer deserving of our help, only our disdain for their killing of innocents.
For their mockery of innocent children dying in pain, pouring out water just to taunt people who are without, and calling them animals, and if the “nation” of israel falls, well I guess I’ll have a coke.
Because they don’t actually know what Genocide is, and they’re really bad at alliteration / word games.
In any case, it’s not Democrats who do this, but far left Gen Z tiktokers who are seemingly too young to understand foreign policy.
We support Israel because they are an ally on the world stage, and are one of Israel’s few allies. It is a bad idea to throw away our friendship to Israel especially after they were attacked.
But this friendship has costs. Israel always was rather militant. So if they get attacked, they disproportionally attack back. Furthermore, Hamas wants this to happen (Hamas still rejects ceasefires, calls to return hostages, and are raiding the aid packages to Palestinian civilians).
Welcome to the Middle East. This shit sucks.
When your friends are killing babies, maybe it’s time to quit being friends with them?
Radical idea, I know.
What do you call it when there are nine people are in table and a Nazi sit down and no one reacts?
10 Nazi’s
Never forget was supposed to mean stopping what happens not taking notes for your game plan.
Hamas is killing babies.
Israel is killing babies.
Now what?
Don’t provide weapons to either of them?
Not even to the technologically superior one who has given us a lot of military support and is key to our foreign policy goals in the Middle East?
Let’s say we abandon Israel. Who the fuck do we ally with in the Middle East? The anti-women Saudis who literally created the Wahhabi Islam that empowered Bin Laden? Iraq or Afghanistan? Iran hates us too.
Our alliance with Israel is out of larger scale necessity and long term friendship. For all of the faults of them (and yes, this war in Gaza is exceptionally brutal, though not genocidal), Israel has military power, military intelligence, and technology that we are borrowing.
Intel / Mobileye / etc.etc. are from Israel. Some of the most important technologies of our society are from Israel.
When both suck, but one is a good friend and has tech that we want, being friends with the powerful and technologically advanced is just a winning strategy.
We treat them both the same?
But seriously, let’s just treat them both the same. Let’s let Israel’s ass cash. The checks its mouth is writing.
I bet we can change their name to Hummingbird real quick
One of those two parties has the power to end this conflict over night, and yet for decades they’ve done nothing but create more illegal settlements, and murder more Palestinian civilians.
Indeed. Egypt has proposed a peace plan and… Oh right. Hamas rejected it. Okay, well, if Hamas can’t even accept a peace plan crafted by a majority-Muslim country like Egypt what the hell do you expect Israel to do?
Now how about this, you start talking about which countries should try to step in and negotiate the peace deal between Hamas and Israel, and how this peace can actually be crafted. We just tried the Egyptian approach (with help from Qatar) and that’s floundering.
Or was there something in the Egyptian / Qatar peace plan that looked unfair for the Palestinians to you?
What do you expect him to do? Biden has already called for Netanyahu to resign. Do you want him to send the U.S. military in to fight the Israeli military in defense of people that want the United States to burn?
Maybe stop selling them weapons?
We don’t just sell weapons on the fly, there are specific agreements and contracts. It’s not just a simple “no more” situation.
The bottom line is Israel is a key part of the US defense machine, integration like that makes it extremely non-trivial to adjust in a reactionary manner.
But go off, tell us how easy the solution truly is
I have a few ideas
He’s not, and it’s not going to stick no matter how hard you try.
I know it’s a tall order for conservatives, but you guys really gotta start getting more creative with the names. Putting an adjective in front of a person’s first name is like bottom tier effort.
Will there be a Palestine by Jan 2024 and could any American President stop what’s going on?
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I mean his career is likely over so he definitely wasn’t gifted anything.
Not as long as he keeps this war going.
Well we could at least stop helping them
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Hes already failed. Theyre dead.
Biden isn’t saving Palestine now. there is no reason to believe he would if he wins again.
And Trump has said we should nuke Palestine. Which is worse?
this is some what about ism. I’m not going to vote for either of them because neither of them is acceptable.
So if the national truly is between one of them and your duty as a citizen is to vote to reduce the impact damage from a bad president, you are just not going to vote?
Shame on you, people like you are why Trump was able to obtain power in the first place. Your apathy is dooming this already fragile democracy. Don’t give me that third candidate shit, not when a dictatorship is looming.
Fuck you, fuck you so much, enabler of horrors.
in all likelihood, i’m going to be voting for cornel west. jill stein can still win me back.
Fuck you, fuck you so much, enabler of horrors.
no, trump voters are the reason trump was able to gain power. also, the fact that we live in a liberal democracy helped. given the option i would abolish our liberal democracy.
Voting for Hitler is the only way to save the Jews!