• GiveMemes@jlai.lu
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          What say you about the reeducation camps and social credit score and restriction of travel? What say you about the imprisonment of Xi’s political opponents? My heart goes out to the Chines people, but the Chinese state must go.

          Open your eyes.

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          Yeah, because I was. Curiously enough, I don’t even need to look at history to condemn what the CCP is doing today.

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              Oh, they finally did something about pollution after being one of the top polluters and doing the minimal effort for the past decades to the point that they had people not being able to go outside from all the smog clouds? Props to them for now setting 2060 as the goal when we’ve already surpassed the major climate change tipping points then, despite the fact that they were asked to correct themselves long ago and refused, opting instead for an empty promise way behind schedule to avoid being held accountable for one of the most impactful issues on the table. That’ll do it. And that they’re considering human rights after they tried to hide their concentration camps from international media where they perpetuated genocide, reeducation and slavery? Weird that they’re now promoting nuclear energy after they created a big scathing shit show about Japan’s treated nuclear waste water to manipulate the market while dumping out a lot of their own even more radioactive waste. Wow, they sure changed a lot in the last 5 minutes. Incredible. Next time you’ll tell me that Hitler did a lot of job creation with those gas chambers, huh.

              But maybe they should do something about their predatory lending to smaller nations. Or stop trying to actively erase a historical massacre to portray a more favorable image. Maybe stop quietly arresting protesters to silence dissent, because they sure as hell won’t consider freedom of press in their wildest dreams. And maybe reconsider their widespread intellectual property theft while they’re at it. They could consider simply not pouring gasoline on the fire of international conflict for an invasion of a territory that has operated independently just fine to date, for that to create more bloodshed and another international crisis even though they’ve been overly aggressive lately with everyone else. But one can dream.

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                So much western propaganda here and articles with deliberately missing context lmao.

                First off, of course an industrializing nation has to emit pollution, specially one with a 1.5 billion population; every industrialized country has, and Africa will too as it industrializes in the future. The point is China is actually doing something about it now, unlike the west.

                China and Africa shouldn’t have to suffer by not industrializing, just because western countries can’t manage their pollution even after doing so.

                Their vocational facilities and re-education centers are a far better way of managing and de-radicalizing extremist groups like the ETIM in Xinjiang than fucking bombing them, invading them, and lying about WMDs.

                50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

                …separatism and religious extremism has caused enormous damage to people of all ethnic groups in Xinjiang, which has seriously infringed upon human rights, including right to life, health and development. Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalization measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centers. Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded. The past three consecutive years has seen not a single terrorist attack in Xinjiang and people there enjoy a stronger sense of happiness, fulfillment and security. We note with appreciation that human rights are respected and protected in China in the process of counter-terrorism and deradicalization.

                We appreciate China’s commitment to openness and transparency. China has invited a number of diplomats, international organizations officials and journalist to Xinjiang to witness the progress of the human rights cause and the outcomes of counter-terrorism and deradicalization there. What they saw and heard in Xinjiang completely contradicted what was reported in the media. We call on relevant countries to refrain from employing unfounded charges against China based on unconfirmed information before they visit Xinjiang.

                The only countries accusing China of mishandling this are its geopolitical rivals in the west. Muslim countries and the global south side with China on this.

                Also, their supposed “debt-trapping” of nations is just a flat-out lie lmao, likely stemming from the actual debt-trapping that the IMF and World Bank from the west do. China hasn’t seized a single asset from a country that’s defaulted on its debt in the 10 years the BRI has been in progress, even forgiving billions of dollars of debt sometimes.

                Of course, not every project has been a success. When you’re working on thousands of foreign infrastructure projects (over 3000 so far) some of them are bound to be massive failures. Railways and bridges for example are often not directly profitable, neither in China nor elsewhere.

                won’t consider freedom of press

                Ah RSF, one of the many anti-China “non-profit” organizations that receives significant funding from the NED, an offshoot of the CIA, and various other imperialist organizations. I’d take any of their claims with a huge grain of salt, specially ones about the west’s geopolitical rivals.

                their widespread intellectual property theft

                Intellectual property shouldn’t exist in the first place; they only do so megacorporations can patent everything and keep others down. I applaud them for ignoring those; Africa should do the same as it industrializes, the same way the US also blatantly violated intellectual property laws as it was industrializing.

                a territory that has operated independently just fine

                Aside from the fact that modern Taiwan came to exist by completely genociding all its natives just 40 years ago (think Israel but if they actually managed to kill all Palestinians), I wouldn’t call hosting military from the most war-mongering nation on its geopolitical rival’s borders, and having a US puppet government “just fine”.

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                  Is everything you disagree with propaganda? If the West is so manipulated, then prove it. And I’ll show you how China is literally locking people away instead for the same thing. I hope you realize that accusing anyone else of what your favorite country is doing by committing human rights violations itself on a massive scale is not a good argument, especially when the sources you criticize have a generally good standing:

                  Ah RSF, one of the many anti-China “non-profit” organizations that receives significant funding from the NED,

                  Bias Rating: LEAST BIASED Factual Reporting: HIGH Country: USA Press Freedom Rank: MOSTLY FREE Media Type: Organization/Foundation Traffic/Popularity: Medium Traffic MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

                  https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/council-on-foreign-relations/

                  If you think they’re not, then prove it. I want to see those pristine sources of yours.

                  The West has been many things about climate change for years as shown in the link in my message above. That’s what the Paris Agreement was for–the one the China co-created and then withdrew from after ignoring it altogether. All for show.

                  What’s more, China is one of the most industrialized nations in the world. They’re literally stealing technology because they can use it. That means they also have the power to invest in renewable energy, but they chose not to, embarking in developmental projects only to abandon and demolish them later when a fraction of that could’ve been well spent.

                  Besides, their plan offers little to no change to what they’ve already been doing without ambition or commitment. This is, again, all talk on their behalf because they’re looking bad right now. You’re literally praising them for not having done anything impactful yet and being 5 years behind schedule.

                  50+ mostly muslim UN states have approved of how China handled this after sending delegates and diplomats to Xinjiang:

                  Your link is broken. Not even archive.org works with it. I want to see where that quote is from.

                  Also, most of the countries that support China in your image are those that commit human rights atrocities daily and have conflict of interests with China: Venezuela, Myanmar, central Africa, and Russia.

                  Also, their supposed “debt-trapping” of nations is just a flat-out lie lmao

                  There are many arguments to be made for and against. Just because you found one in your favor doesn’t prove anything. And pointing out corporations in the West is not the same as a literal government engaging in the same shady behavior.

                  Intellectual property shouldn’t exist in the first place

                  That’s nice, dear, but it’s not for you to decide. I love how you just change the subject back to whatever the US has done like it’s the only Western country in the world.

                  Taiwan came to exist by completely genociding all its natives just 40 years ago

                  Again, what does that have to do with anything? That doesn’t invalidate what Taiwan is today.

                  All this pointless diversion is yypical CPP apologist behavior.

    • Jerkface (any/all)@lemmy.ca
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      BULLLLLLLLLLLLshit. There are other hypotheses which are not starkly contrary to other available data. Fascism is rising and the kids are here for it.

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        The tankies are it in force today. Single party corporate and state alignment with a dominant cultural twist. It’s the definition of fascism including both economic and social elements.