• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    9·
    11 months ago

    “Grinch” and “Scrooge” may not be synonyms, but they have both been used to describe Jews like me for the crime of not celebrating a Christian holiday.

    • Shrikant Joshi@noc.socialOP
      8·
      11 months ago

      @FlyingSquid The only thing you should do in these moments is point at them and laugh at their ignorance… :P

      I mean, anyone who expects a person to be enthused about a holiday from a religion they don’t identify with is seriously suffering from a case of “the stoopid”. So, pointing and laughing at them is perfectly acceptable, IMHO. 😬

      • Draghetta@lemmy.world
        10·
        11 months ago

        TBH Christmas in the west is mostly cultural, not religious.

        Nobody except for the ultra religious nowadays cares about Christ. And I don’t mean it in a grumpy way, I mean it literally: even in the cheesy hallmark stereotype the “grinches” don’t lack love for Christ, they lack cheer and whatever the cHrIsTmAs sPiRiT is.

        Modern day Christmas has origin in religion but has nothing to do with it anymore. If you like lights and reindeers and presents under the tree and fat guys with white beards celebrate it, regardless of whether you are Jewish, Muslim or atheist like a lot of those who do it. If you don’t like those things then don’t, there is no need to motivate it religiously.

        “I’m a jew/atheist/muslim therefore I don’t care about Christmas” makes about as much sense as “I’m not a bipedal mouse therefore I don’t care about Disneyland”

        • OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works
          5·
          11 months ago

          Most of the traditions around modern Christmas don’t even have their roots in Christianity. They’re either from various different faiths, or newer inventions of capitalism.

        • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 months ago

          Well i certainly lack love for christ…. And if you enjoy the secular aspects, that’s you’re business, but please don’t stand there and tell me the holiday is entirely secular, not when literally every church here is having a Christmas Eve service and “the true meaning of Christmas” is being put on blast every bit as much as the shitty holiday music is.

          Also? I’m not a bipedal mouse and I couldn’t give two rat farts about Disneyland either. (Okay, so one doesn’t follow other, but both are true.)

          • Draghetta@lemmy.world
            1·
            11 months ago

            literally every church

            Churches gonna church. They claim the religiousness of the holiday with the same fervour with which Mussolini claimed Italy to be the Roman Empire, and they are equally laughable.

            Much like 1930s Italy with Ancient Rome, Christmas is rooted in Christianity but that’s about it. No amount of preaching can wish the religious holiday back into existence.

            And about the “true meaning of Christmas” that sickens you and me alike, how many of those preachings about it are about Christ? If you watch the grinch movie, does it end with him being born again in Jesus?

            Of course people that still link Christmas and Christ exist, but they are a laughable minority in the west. hate on Christmas all you want, but do it for the right reasons.

            • FuglyDuck@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              11 months ago

              yes, please do keep arguing your domgmatic view and insisting I follow your perceptions of a world that, I’m guessing is quite a bit different than my own.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        1·
        11 months ago

        Oh yes. Especially when I was in school. And I don’t mean just from the kids.

        This was close to 40 years ago and I still haven’t forgotten my elementary school teacher telling me to stop being such a Grinch and sing the Christmas songs for the school Christmas show because “we sang the dreidel song for you.”

        I hate that fucking dreidel song, by the way. It feels like some Nazi wrote the worst holiday song ever just so he could blame the Jews for it.

  • raynethackery@lemmy.world
    2·
    11 months ago

    Both Scrooge and the Grinch are redeemed at the end of their stories. They should terms for the joy of Christmas.

  • Vespair@lemm.ee
    1·
    11 months ago

    Is PCM culturally different on Lemmy than reddit? Because the reddit PCM was a cesspool and haven for neo-nazis and alt-right weirdos to make terrible strawmen arguments and roleplay as what they thought leftists were like

  • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.netEnglish
    1·
    11 months ago

    By this chart, I would be Jesus. I got nothing against Christmas other than the capitalism part and the coopting by Christianity. The spirit of Christmas is still nice at its core. Gift-giving doesn’t have to be capitalistic, either. I love when people make me things, and I love making things for others. It’s more meaningful, I think, than some off-the-rack consumer item.