A cargo plane flew 50 miles with no pilot onboard using a semi-automated system. An aviation expert says the technology could address the pilot shortage.::The flight system allows a plane to be remote operated by a pilot on the ground, which could streamline pilot airline operations in the future.

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    This will be done more and more until the first crash. Then everyone will freak out and everything will be grounded. The engineers will point out that statistically the flights done this way were safer ( 1 million miles were flown by AI in the last 3 years with only one incident. The same done by commercial pilots would have caused 3.5 incidents!)

    Then other incidents will be dredged up. Some won’t be actual incidents, some won’t be the fault of the AI, and some will be because a human overrid AI control. However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made. A decade later these loopholes will be large enough to fly a 737 through.

    No one will remember why they were put in place in the first place, but one political party will be firmly against removing the laws. It will take another generation for them to finally be removed, and by that point computers will be so far integrated with humans that biological humans might be banned from flying under the law if things didn’t change.

    Hopefully, people will look back on this and say, lol, no, that post was edited in 2035, but good try.

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      However, the public will firmly be on the side of only humans should fly planes. Laws will be drafted. Then loopholes for “drones” will be made.

      That part could just as well go another way:

      The transportation and large sellers of packages, like Amazon, strongly lobbied the government. Now any victim of a crash with automated planes gets a standard payout from the insurance. A class action lawsuits from family members of the victims was eventually decided in favor of the corporations.

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        I’ve read your life is only worth $10k.

        I have nothing to back that up, but if anyone finds the source of that quote, I’d be interested.

        Yea, no thanks on automation. In the end I’m still dead by another human’s mistake. So I’d rather have a pilot on board.

        I’ve seen how bad aircraft automation is already. Much of it shouldn’t even be in the air currently. It’s already overridden pilot commands łor at least ignored inputs as outside parameters), crashing planes.

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      You need training to fly, so there’s a lag between you posting higher salaries and actually getting new pilots

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        While you are right, the airline industry has known about this for a while and did nothing.

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        No there really isn’t. The Navy and Air Force are full of people who love flying. Even people who can fly but don’t qualify to be fighter pilots. They work on planes, design them, or fly transport planes.

        Usually the jobs outside the military pay better (cybersecurity, IT, etc.). Flying commercial isn’t that much better because of the hours. Imagine having better hours in the military and a better retirement package after 20 years. That’s why there’s not enough pilots.

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    Adequate for cargo flights, not happening any time soon for passenger flights. Aviation safety is very strict and slow to change.

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      Considering most all commercial flights are fly by wire except for taxi, takeoff, and landing… not sure

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        And we currently see issues even with current (relatively) modest automation systems that are designed to prevent pilot error.

        There’s way too many failures with current systems to even talk about full automation yet, in my opinion.

        Let’s get current automation subsystems to much lower error rates first.

        I’ve never seen a fuel injection system on a car suddenly stop delivering fuel for no apparent reason, then startup again. The computers for such systems in cars are tremendously over-engineered.

        I can’t understand why we accept less for aircraft systems today. This didn’t used to be the case.

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    To address the pilot pay, in my own opinion I think that flying is reasonably paid. Most entry level jobs (in my area) range between 70-90k. This is comfortable for the most part and above all common jobs.

    The main issue for me is the training costs. I would still be headed towards the aviation industry if I wasn’t held back by the financial debt that I would incur.

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      Pilots are paid bank BECAUSE the training is so expensive. If you make the training cheaper the compensation will drop with it. Of course lowering the barrier to entry is a good thing, but don’t expect the compensation to remain high.

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        You right. But like, ironically, I can’t do the training with a family to care for.

        When I asked around to the other flight students on how they are paying for it, it was 45% GI Bill, 50% daddy/grandparents paying for it, and the rest were paying bit by bit or finally making enough money to afford it.

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          It also depends if you go with a school or an independent instructor. I spent a good chunk of cash getting my PPL before I decided to change careers because of how expensive every step towards my ATP would be

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            Yeah, I went 141 and est total cost was over 150k but that has government assistance for a portion where I didn’t have to pay up front.

            Part 61 is absolutely cheaper overall but you have to pay up front with no assistance.

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    I have an uncle that quit being a pilot because being a trucker paid much better. I not stating an opinion, just a fact. Do with it what you will.

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      Fallout New Vegas is the best video game of all time. I’m not stating a fact, just an opinion. Do with it what I will.