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PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.worldBanned to No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world · 1 year ago

Is the word Alphabet literally just a conjunction made from the first two letters of the Greek alphabet?

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Is the word Alphabet literally just a conjunction made from the first two letters of the Greek alphabet?

PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.worldBanned to No Stupid Questions@lemmy.world · 1 year ago
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  • DontTreadOnBigfoot@lemmy.world
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    Yes

    Where does the word alphabet come from?

    The word alphabet comes from the first two letters of the Greek alphabet: alpha and beta. It was first used, in its Latin form, alphabetum, by Tertullian during the 2nd–3rd century CE and by St. Jerome.

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      I woke up at 7:00 a.m. for this and had a sudden moment of clarity out of absolutely nowhere. Thank you.

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        These little epiphanies are always fun. Like when you realise how many maths and astronomy terms are just romanised Arabic words like Algebra and Algorithm.

        Another fun one that I wasn’t smart enough to notice on my own is that the Hindu-Arabic numerals have the same number of angles in the symbols as the number they represent.

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        It’s a Christmas miracle! 😉

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        You had a Sudden Clarity Clarence moment, but you don’t think in memes.

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      So calling it your ABCs when you’re younger isn’t that far off. Interesting.

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    Pretty much. English borrowed it from Latin because it’s posh. And Latin borrowed it from Greek because it’s posh. But at the end of the day it’s in the same spirit as “the ABC”, or Latin “abecedarius”.

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      And the Greeks took it from the Phoenicians where it was Alep Bet (almost identical to the Hebrew Aleph Beth).

      And these are words that start with the sound of the letter. Aleph means Ox and Beth is house.

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      It’s also “ABC” (“ábécé”) in Hungarian. (And I bet in a lot of other languages too.)

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      Then why do Abacuses help us count instead of spell? 🤔

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        Coincidence. The word backtracks to Greek ᾰ̓́βᾰξ / ábax “board, slab”, it doesn’t have to do with ABC.

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        Abacus comes from the Greek “Abak” meaning board or slab.

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        • Abaci
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    Similarly, the viking rune “alphabet” is called the Futhark, because the first letters are pronounced F, U, Þ, A, R, K.

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    Fun fact - in Polish language the word alfabet exists as a technical name of the alphabet. There is also a more casual word, often used by children: abecadło which is basically polish way of saying “The ABCs”.

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      Spanish is similar. For spanish the word is abecedario.

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        English has “abecedarian”, which can mean “alphabetical”, “rudimentary”, “elementary”, “novice” or “beginner”.

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        We also have alfabeto though.

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        Finnish word is aakkoset. Well, it has the a. It sounds like a pet name or slang for something, but as far as I know it’s just nonsense.

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      The Latin word is “abecedarium”. I don’t know why English adopted the Greek word.

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        I mean, English isn’t a Romance language

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          True, but it does have a lot of Latinate words.

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    Wow, I can’t believe I never put that together before.

    • arc@lemmy.world
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      Shower thought material right there

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    yes.

    source: can speak Greek.

    Also the first two letters of the Greek alphabet are άλφα (alpha) and βήτα (beta)

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    Not that different from us talking about “learning our ABCs”.

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    If it isn’t, then where else would the word “alphabet” come from?

    Oh wait, you could look at the Hebrew alphabet and pretend that the word came from its first two letters: Aleph and Bet.

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      This is what I thought. From Hebrew.

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        From Phoenician actually

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet

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      • Resol van Lemmy@lemmy.world
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        In all honesty, I don’t know which of the two languages is older.

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          Hebrew is slightly older than Greek but it was also more isolated than Greek and likely did not have much influence on Greek. As another commenter pointed out, Phoenician is the accepted source for the Greek alphabet.

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            I guess that answers that.

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    No, it’s a noun made from the portmanteau of the first two letters of the greek alphabet

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      Technically correct

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        The best kind of correct.

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    There’s a series on Prime via The Great Courses Collection about the origins of language. (Almost?) all languages derive their names like this, but that’s like, a throw away line in a much deeper series.

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      Many Indian languages use some version of ‘akshara’, which means ‘unchanging’ or ‘indestructible’. (I guess the alphabet does change, but too slowly for us to notice.) Most Indian languages start the alphabet with all the vowels, so ‘first n letters’ would be unpronouncable.

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    Azbuka, name of the cirillic script, also comes from the old names of the first two letters.

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    No, it’s named after the cereal

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      Completely wrong as is clearly named after Google parent company Alphabet

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        Yeah. Little known fact, they named their company after their original product, but struggled with how to turn in profit, so they created a Google subsidiary which invented a search engine. True story.

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        I googled alphabet and apparently google got alphabetted 8 years ago?

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          They had the disadvantage of not being able to read until then, but look how quick they’re moving now.

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    Yup

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    Yeah

  • UziBobuzi@kbin.social
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    Yes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet

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