I’m amazed at how few people realise this. I don’t agree with jailing this guy but people seem to think that as long as a protest gets noticed by people it MUST be effective.
Arguing with anger makes people who are already on your side agree with you, arguing with calm and logic might actually change a few minds though.
Just Stop Oil are the former and appears to me to be doing nothing to help the effort, do they think that people believe oil is good for the planet and that they’re actually making others aware of the environmental impact? Nobody is learning anything but plenty of people are getting pissed off with the cause because it’s unnecessarily disruptive and furthers nothing.
Edit: you guys proved the point phenomenally. There’s the people already on their side agreeing, meanwhile at least 2 commenters who are anti oil are painted like we coat penguins in it for fun in our free time. Why do so many suggest it’s either JSO or ineffective sanctioned protests? Could there not be something in between? What would be so wrong with protesting directly to MPs by the houses of Parliament? You could chain yourself to whatever if you need to make a strong point, throw oil/paint/whatever at 10 downing street, do something that the decision makers will actually notice and have people talking about you favourably. Most conversations about JSO are one side saying they’re fucking morons, and the other side naively echoing this chamber like that has any chance at changing anyone’s mind.
Ah well, lemmy seems even less flexible than reddit did with its views, so I shouldn’t be surprised. There is no room for nuance here.
Yeah and that’s the exact outlook that I think is dumb. It might be true if they were trying to make the world aware of some very serious but largely unknown issue, but that’s not what’s happening here at all.
Nobody learns anything, FEWER people will sympathise with you, and you disrupt people’s lives for exactly fuck all.
I don’t think it’s out of touch to understand how a protest works. If a protest annoyed you once and made you dislike the cause, that doesn’t seem like the protest was doing it wrong, it seems like you were never going to be sympathetic to the cause.
You’re very much wrong there, I’m actually quite sympathetic to their cause, and would like to reduce my carbon footprint. But stopping people from going about their day just gives the movement a bad name.
Why won’t everyone just do their protests respectably (in that small square over there between 5-6pm on Tuesdays of the second week every other month).
Ironically, people on your side seem to specifically NOT know how protests work. Pissing off the masses does not bring people to your cause.
I’m also sympathetic to the cause and do a lot to improve my carbon footprint, but I’m the bad guy here because I believe that simply pissing off others will not reduce the worlds reliance on oil.
What has actually been achieved with these protests? Do people exist who didn’t know oil was bad until they saw someone holding up traffic or chaining themselves to a football goal? It seems like disruption for disruptions sake to me.
You’re completely wrong. There was never a protest that didn’t piss off the masses. There was never a cause that didn’t piss off the masses. Everything pisses off the masses because the masses are whiny crybaby snowflakes. So what is your solution? Sit back and let the government kill us?
I’m amazed at how few people realise this. I don’t agree with jailing this guy but people seem to think that as long as a protest gets noticed by people it MUST be effective.
Arguing with anger makes people who are already on your side agree with you, arguing with calm and logic might actually change a few minds though.
Just Stop Oil are the former and appears to me to be doing nothing to help the effort, do they think that people believe oil is good for the planet and that they’re actually making others aware of the environmental impact? Nobody is learning anything but plenty of people are getting pissed off with the cause because it’s unnecessarily disruptive and furthers nothing.
Edit: you guys proved the point phenomenally. There’s the people already on their side agreeing, meanwhile at least 2 commenters who are anti oil are painted like we coat penguins in it for fun in our free time. Why do so many suggest it’s either JSO or ineffective sanctioned protests? Could there not be something in between? What would be so wrong with protesting directly to MPs by the houses of Parliament? You could chain yourself to whatever if you need to make a strong point, throw oil/paint/whatever at 10 downing street, do something that the decision makers will actually notice and have people talking about you favourably. Most conversations about JSO are one side saying they’re fucking morons, and the other side naively echoing this chamber like that has any chance at changing anyone’s mind.
Ah well, lemmy seems even less flexible than reddit did with its views, so I shouldn’t be surprised. There is no room for nuance here.
A JSO representative had a great interview with Alex O’Connor and he basically said that negative attention is still better than no attention.
Yeah and that’s the exact outlook that I think is dumb. It might be true if they were trying to make the world aware of some very serious but largely unknown issue, but that’s not what’s happening here at all.
Nobody learns anything, FEWER people will sympathise with you, and you disrupt people’s lives for exactly fuck all.
You must not work in advertising, because it’s objective reality that negative attention is better than no attention.
They’ve been arguing with calm and logic for 30 years and it has changed absolutely nothing. How long should they keep doing it?
Yup. Unfortunately, these people live in an echo chamber of like minded people, so they never realize how far out of touch they are.
I don’t think it’s out of touch to understand how a protest works. If a protest annoyed you once and made you dislike the cause, that doesn’t seem like the protest was doing it wrong, it seems like you were never going to be sympathetic to the cause.
You’re very much wrong there, I’m actually quite sympathetic to their cause, and would like to reduce my carbon footprint. But stopping people from going about their day just gives the movement a bad name.
Why won’t everyone just do their protests respectably (in that small square over there between 5-6pm on Tuesdays of the second week every other month).
Also make sure it’s quieter than the sound of traffic.
Is it possible there’s something between those two options that could work more effectively and piss fewer people off…?
It’s been tried. There isn’t.
Ironically, people on your side seem to specifically NOT know how protests work. Pissing off the masses does not bring people to your cause.
I’m also sympathetic to the cause and do a lot to improve my carbon footprint, but I’m the bad guy here because I believe that simply pissing off others will not reduce the worlds reliance on oil.
What has actually been achieved with these protests? Do people exist who didn’t know oil was bad until they saw someone holding up traffic or chaining themselves to a football goal? It seems like disruption for disruptions sake to me.
You’re completely wrong. There was never a protest that didn’t piss off the masses. There was never a cause that didn’t piss off the masses. Everything pisses off the masses because the masses are whiny crybaby snowflakes. So what is your solution? Sit back and let the government kill us?