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1. Meta/Facebook has a horrific track record on human rights: - https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans - https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence - https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/18/17587080/mark-zuckerberg-holocaust-denial-kara-swisher-interview 2. Meta/Facebook is trying to join the Fediverse. We need to defederate them. 3. If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net" (here's how on Mastodon https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon/) 4. If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net". Your admin is listed on your server website's About page.

Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you’re a server admin, please defederate Meta’s domain “threads.net”

If you don’t run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate “threads.net”.

  • Sanyanov@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    11 months ago

    People are concerned because there were examples of such things going horribly wrong, most notably with Google and XMPP.

    Way back in the day, Google announced that its Talk messenger will support XMPP, which made decentralization fans very happy - finally, they can communicate with everyone from the comfort of their decentralized instance!..oh.

    Google started implementing features in Talk that are incompatible with XMPP, and then dropped XMPP support altogether, ending up deprecating Talk in favor of Google-only Hangouts. This forced many XMPP users to get into Google’s ecosystem, since the people they contacted through XMPP were mostly just using Google Talk, and they couldn’t be contacted through XMPP any more. As a result, XMPP became worse off than it started and got practically forgotten by all but 1,5 nerds who keep it alive.

    now most of their contacts were in defederated Google to which they now didn’t have access.

    • MrSilkworm@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      11 months ago

      this ☝️. Those of us who remember what happened then, understand the potential dangers of federating with a juggernaut like META.

      We should tread lightly!

    • helenslunch@feddit.nlEnglish
      12·
      11 months ago

      This forced many XMPP users to get into Google’s ecosystem

      No it didn’t

      As a result, XMPP became worse off than it started

      Wrong again.

      • kpw@kbin.social
        2·
        11 months ago

        This. I don’t care what Google or Meta do, I will never use their services.

          • nakal@kbin.social
            5·
            11 months ago

            Also, I doubt that Google wanted to destroy XMPP. They simply needed a chat then noticed it’s crap for mobile devices. They wanted to offer their users seemless migration to the new proprietary protocol.

            I was sad that Google stopped to use an official standard, but there are many better free options left.

            • kpw@kbin.social
              2·
              11 months ago

              XMPP works great on mobile devices today. Google could have easily developed and published such extensions themselves.

        • kpw@kbin.social
          2·
          11 months ago

          Why? It works great for me and my contacts. I use it for all my personal messaging.

          • Spuddlesv2@lemmy.caEnglish
            1·
            11 months ago

            When Google started using XMPP in Talk, 20 years ago, it was crap. I haven’t used it in probably 15 years but it wasn’t great then either.

            • kpw@kbin.social
              2·
              11 months ago

              Then it must have gotten a lot better in the meantime then. I discovered it ~2020 while searching for alternatives to WhatsApp and realizing that other walled gardens cannot be the answer since they have the same problem as WhatsApp. I think we should revive the idea of an universal internet standard for instant messaging.

      • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        11 months ago

        No it’s not in the least bit, but because people keep reposting that angry blog post by someone who was personally involved and wanted someone to blame so they blamed Google (as if XMPP needed any outside help to fail to catch on, they could do it on their own perfectly fine), people believe that narrative and then get sold on Meta wanting to the same with the Fediverse. As if they could give a flying fart (just like with Google and XMPP).