Poe was portrayed as being really reckless in TFA as well, though. Like his second ever appearance is stealing a star fighter in a prison break, fighting an entire star destroyer with some guy he literally just met, and then crash landing all while acting like he’s on a theme park rollercoaster. His first was him intentionally getting captured in order to pull a fast one on a Sith and his entire army. He’s usually doing what needs to be done in TFA, but that’s because those situations actually required someone to do exactly what he always wants to do: fly straight at it in the fastest thing he can get his hands on and blow a bunch of stuff up. His arc in TLJ was totally in keeping with what we had already seen of him
But if his actions are necessary, by definition, that’s not recklessness. Recklessness involves a complete disregard for other, better options. If those options don’t exist, you can’t exactly call him reckless for it. What’s the guy to do?
If he was doing that shit needlessly, that’d be one thing, but his actions in the beginning of TLJ actually improve the odds of the Rebellion considerably, even factoring in the loss of their bombers.
What he did doesn’t show that he wasn’t reckless just because it was necessary though. I’m saying he clearly wanted to do those things whether they were the right move or not, it’s just fortunate for him that they were generally good moves most of the time
But that’s the thing, they were good moves at the time. That speaks far more to his experience as a pilot than his recklessness. At no point is Poe provided a safer, better option for him to disregard in favour of a risky move. So we don’t have the information needed to call him reckless, even if he has no qualms about the risky approach.
His enthusiasm for the danger made it pretty clear to me. But even then, what you’re describing is just a lack of evidence for recklessness, not evidence against him being reckless. Nothing he did in TFA suggests to me that he wouldn’t have done what he did in TLJ, it’s just that in TLJ the situation didn’t work out so well for him
His enthusiasm for the danger made it pretty clear to me. But even then, what you’re describing is just a lack of evidence for recklessness
Exactly. This makes it confusing when the TLJ tries to call him reckless, because there’s been no evidence to suggest that, either in this film or the previous. The film tries to point to the bombing run as evidence, but it was clearly necessary and not an example of recklessness. An enthusiasm for danger is not the same thing as needlessly wading into it.
Nothing he did in TFA suggests to me that he wouldn’t have done what he did in TLJ, it’s just that in TLJ the situation didn’t work out so well for him.
In TLJ, he’s trying to prevent the entire rebellion from getting smoked by two dreadnoughts. Taking out one of them halves the firepower being aimed at them. The rebellion would have been obliterated had Poe not done what he did, Holdo maneuver or no.
Poe was portrayed as being really reckless in TFA as well, though. Like his second ever appearance is stealing a star fighter in a prison break, fighting an entire star destroyer with some guy he literally just met, and then crash landing all while acting like he’s on a theme park rollercoaster. His first was him intentionally getting captured in order to pull a fast one on a Sith and his entire army. He’s usually doing what needs to be done in TFA, but that’s because those situations actually required someone to do exactly what he always wants to do: fly straight at it in the fastest thing he can get his hands on and blow a bunch of stuff up. His arc in TLJ was totally in keeping with what we had already seen of him
But if his actions are necessary, by definition, that’s not recklessness. Recklessness involves a complete disregard for other, better options. If those options don’t exist, you can’t exactly call him reckless for it. What’s the guy to do?
If he was doing that shit needlessly, that’d be one thing, but his actions in the beginning of TLJ actually improve the odds of the Rebellion considerably, even factoring in the loss of their bombers.
Poe was a pure good aligned Han Solo.
What he did doesn’t show that he wasn’t reckless just because it was necessary though. I’m saying he clearly wanted to do those things whether they were the right move or not, it’s just fortunate for him that they were generally good moves most of the time
But that’s the thing, they were good moves at the time. That speaks far more to his experience as a pilot than his recklessness. At no point is Poe provided a safer, better option for him to disregard in favour of a risky move. So we don’t have the information needed to call him reckless, even if he has no qualms about the risky approach.
His enthusiasm for the danger made it pretty clear to me. But even then, what you’re describing is just a lack of evidence for recklessness, not evidence against him being reckless. Nothing he did in TFA suggests to me that he wouldn’t have done what he did in TLJ, it’s just that in TLJ the situation didn’t work out so well for him
Exactly. This makes it confusing when the TLJ tries to call him reckless, because there’s been no evidence to suggest that, either in this film or the previous. The film tries to point to the bombing run as evidence, but it was clearly necessary and not an example of recklessness. An enthusiasm for danger is not the same thing as needlessly wading into it.
In TLJ, he’s trying to prevent the entire rebellion from getting smoked by two dreadnoughts. Taking out one of them halves the firepower being aimed at them. The rebellion would have been obliterated had Poe not done what he did, Holdo maneuver or no.