Biden sucks… but vote for him. I mean the two party system sucks, first passed the post sucks, gerrymandering sucks… but the republican party sucks even more. I’d rather have a dottering old liberal than an outright fascist, and at the same time the system won’t be reformed because of an election cycle. People need to organise, get off their lazy butts. But since you ain’t doing that, there’s only one thing to do.
Vote Biden. Don’t be dumb. It’s like the only sane alternative, no matter how insane that sounds.
People of Gaza are so lucky that it’s the lesser of the two evils facilitating their genocide.
Yes, I honestly dread to think what Trump would have done.
Lessor of two evils sucks balls, but you can still minimise the damage at least.
Trump would’ve done the exact same thing. You’re not minimizing any damage your regime is facilitating a literal genocide. The fact that you’re keep trying to minimize this fact because it’s your fascist in office shows how utterly morally bankrupt you are.
The immediate response to the war would probably have been the same, but another 4 years of Trump would have meant more time to inflame tensions in the region even worse with actions such as:
- Moving the US embassy to Jerusalem
- Withdrawal from the Iran deal
- Assassination of Iranian generals
Etc
Biden has continued all the same policies and has also dragged the world into a proxy war against Russia while continuing to escalate tensions with China. Biden is a lunatic whose actions continue to bring the world closer to a world war.
Pretty sure it was literally Russia who started that war.
Edit: Sorry, meant to say ‘special operation’. This is how states operate now. It fucking sucks. It all fucking sucks. Everyone fucking suck. Throwing shit at each other is no way it’s going to stop. People need to pull their heads out of their ass as point fingers at the people who actually put this shit together. The entire world economy is tired to oil and guns. As long as oil and guns reign supreme, so will war.
Even Ukrainians are now saying that it was the west that stopped negotiations last March https://www.aaronmate.net/p/ukraines-top-negotiator-confirms
Meanwhile, Stoltenberg finally admitted that the reason the war started was because of NATO expansion https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/opinions_218172.htm#:~:text=The background was that President,condition for not invade Ukraine
Meanwhile, people who put this all together are the ones running the empire, and as long as Americans keep voting for the lesser evil nothing’s going to change.
You know, when Biden took office the capitol building had literally just been attacked by a violent mob who smeared shit on the walls. And we were still in covid-lockdowns, and gas was $4 a gallon, and Ukraine had just started getting attacked.
Idk why Biden gets so much shit, but given where he started, I think we are doing a damn fine job and our inflation numbers are much better than most of the rest of the world.
If inflation is our metric, then Democrats have been in agreement with Republicans ever since the Nixon Shock.
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What genocide is he responsible for?
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Do you think that’s any comfort to the Palestinians Biden is helping to genocide?
What’s that? Somebody thinks that a different president is going to stop the drones and bombings!? Like they’re not tied up in deals?! Like if a third party candidate won the process would just magically stop?!?!
Bush made the bombs drop, Obama made the bombs drop, Trump made the bombs drop, Biden made the bombs drop… wtf do you think the next president will do? The CIA tells them what’s what and that’s it.
Vote Biden, or get a republican president. Your call.
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Vote Trump, for a brighter, socialist future!
Also, blood for the Blood God!
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This meme is about you.
I know. This was clapback to all those who think the notion of voting third party does anything else but taking away votes from the democrats. It’s naive, it’s dumb, it’s quite frankly ignorant. Change in power dynamics happens from the ground up, not the top down.
Just calling a spade a spade.
I mean, that’s a weird-ass AI prompt. But if fascism wins and you voted third party, yes - it’s partly* your fault unless you’re too stupid to understand how first past the post voting works.
*conditionals against massive fascist party majority states notwithstanding.
Keep typing. You’re making my point for me.
If your goal is to have a third option to vote for, the best way to help is to support independent candidates on the right as well. If the fascist vote is split (say between Trump and Liz Cheney) then a vote for (Cornell West for example) is less likely to be a vote for fascism.
Third party candidates will never be the answer. They exist only to dilute resistance. The answer is to raise awareness and outrage until it can’t be ignored.
While I agree third party candidates are not really the solution, what exactly is rage and outrage that can’t be ignored gonna do? How is that gonna change things? Do you think the lawmakers and people in power and gonna just gonna fix the system that put them in power just cause some people got mad? More importantly changing all that would take time, way more time than we have before the next election, so what do you recommend we are suppose to do right now?
Please be a bit more specific than “get mad”, cause trust me, a lot of people have been mad for a long time, just getting mad doesn’t fix anything
We were on the verge of forcing real change before the neolibs convinced the middle class that they won by electing Biden. The people in the streets fighting cops is always the beginning of change. Spreading information, and not accepting the premise that Biden is the solution is how we get people back in the streets.
If one is a leftist and wants a third party just so we’ll be represented at all, then supporting right wing independents could backfire. Their corrupt corporate moderates are costing the right just as much support as they cost us. There’s a lot of religious folks out there who - if united - would usher in the Handmaid’s Tale.
Ross Perot came very close to actually winning. In today’s climate, a far right candidate just might.
Just curious… In what way did Ross Perot come close to winning? I see that he got 8% of the popular vote in 1996 but I’m not seeing that he ever got an electoral vote.
In that he got a large percentage of the total votes.
“very close to actually winning”
“8% of the popular vote”
“Very close”
…
Yes, that was only 25% short.
Citizens of the US are really screwed, with a pseudo-democracy where they can only choose between conservatives or fascists, apart from practically half of the population who show that Descartes was wrong, because they exist but they don’t think.
The US has never been a country that’s good or fair. It’s only very slowly gotten a little better through the sweat and blood of good people.
If we want it to get better it’s going to be a lot of difficult and painstaking work.
show that Descartes was wrong, because they exist but they don’t think.
“A therefore B” doesn’t imply “B therefore A”
Counterargument: If the democrats don’t want to lose they should stop funding mass genocide.
How can anyone think that Trump wouldn’t support it. If anything, he would call the IDF a bunch of pussies for not bombing Gaza even harder.
That’s not the point. People aren’t saying that they’d rather have Trump in charge. The point is things will never get better if everyone keeps unquestioningly giving their votes to the Democrats regardless of how little the democrats represent their interests. The only real way most people have of making a political party change is by withholding their votes until that party changes in order to regain the votes.
Trump would denounce Israel, even as a lie, to win the White House.
Your options:
- Genocide overseas & decent domestic policies
- Genocide overseas & Genocide domestically
American lives > Brown people lives
Got it.
This is not a winnable situation. This is a two party system with a lesser of two evils option.
But we cannot consistently remain on the edge forever. If we pass over that line. And we have trump next year, it will be our last election.
We’ll either have a civil war and finally revise the system or end up like Russia.
Alternatively we can stay on the edge a little longer and build up a different strategy. Maybe A third party that only runs non-president candidates nationwide. Running in off elections and non-presidential yearsto gain seats and national trust. Maybe reforming local laws to make PACS less effective to avoid situations like the current one.
It’ll be slow and not ideal, but it’s a better chance at improving things then flipping the switch and having the dictatorship now.
Either way Palestinians die because we don’t get a say in that. And to end off this little rant.
Biden is enabling the genocide because his PACs have his hands tied. Trump would be cheering on the genocide because his PACS and his base would support him for it.
I’m sure his PACs are also making him believe those obviously fake stories about Hamas. It’s time to admit you’re voting for a fascist.
Theres the Fascist who will keep the veil of democracy on and avoid total outright Fascism or the Fascist who will burn democracy to the ground and have outright Fascism.
Voting for anyone else is at best throwing your vote in the garbage and at worst voting for the greater of two evils.
This was never an issue of “Voting for the good guy” that hasn’t been an option for as long as I have been alive. This is an issue of biding time to build up a strong enough third party, and we don’t even have a strong enough third party to have a presence in congress or the senate
Buying time for what?! The instant Biden got into office you all went back to brunch. All that did was tell the rest of the world “we don’t care how much you’re suffering, as long as we get to be comfortable we are going to continue to sit on our throne of blood”
So congratulations, now the world doesn’t want to support you this time. Good job on that.
But there have been active courses of action.
The Presidency is one person, with increasingly too much power.
Unions have been exploding in popularity, various local elections have been swinging farther left than the standard democrat playbook.
The people are not voting democrat because they are content with them, they’re voting democrat because there is not another viable option.
It needs to start local and grow. We need a proper left-wing party, if we can ever get organized enough to do such a thing rather than relying on what already exists.
And as I said, I think the best course of action is a measured approach. Local Elections, Off-year elections and non-presidential elections. Grow in numbers, gain public confidence and start snowballing.
The reason why third parties are progressively weakening is because of a lack of faith, and third party’s consistent decimation in the presidential is a big part of it.
Its counter intuitive, but voting third-party hurts third parties in the long run if you focus on them primarily during presidential elections.
I’m not the standard “Oh the third party will never win type.” I’m actively against trying to run before we can walk.
Confidence is a big deal in elections. It’s more obvious in Primaries. If people see a candidate they like in the Primaries, but they don’t think they can win against the opposition candidate, they will not vote for the candidate they like. They will vote for the candidate that they have the most confidence in even if they don’t like that candidate.
We need to start a from the ground up political party that’s entire focus is to stay out of the view of presidential elections, We need to start focusing on bringing Ranked Choice Voting to as many locations as possible. And it will be a long process. But it’s far better than repeatedly doing the same thing every election cycle.
We always have the situation of 99% evil vs 100% evil both with a roughly 50/50 chance of winning and a selection of third party candidates who are decent but have 0 chance of winning.
Third party candidate loses, 99% or 100% evil wins. Third Party yet again becomes less relevant and less considered. Repeat. This cycle can only end if we stop focusing on the obvious losing strategy.
…Memes?
Propaganda is a form of meme.
two things to consider
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voting harder wont actually stop fascism, the nazis took power with 30% of the vote
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not everyone gets a vote, myself included (not a citizen)
Eh, 30% in a parliamentary system is effectively the majority.
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Why would we continue doing the exact same thing that has been time and time again proven to be a cheap bandaid that never addresses the issues? Fuck that. We have to try different ways of making progress in this country or we’re fucked. We’re not really a democratic country anyway. None of our representatives actually fight and do what we ask of them. So why fall for it again?
Bbbut we just need to buy time for [insert other thing that hasn’t been working]!
This is so good, did you make it?
I used Dall-E to generate the individual elements and put them together in Paint.NET. AI couldn’t understand the prompts I was using well enough to generate what I wanted.
Lol cool. It reminds me of 2016 when I checked the Republican party website and on the Donate page the background was a picture of Trump. Then I checked the Democratic party website and on the Donate page the background was a picture of Trump but with a scary red hue.
Neo-liberal fascism or conservative fascism? 🤔
They’re two faces of the same demon.
As an enlightened I must object.
yellow
Is this a Lemmy meme I don’t understand?
no, i just thought you we’re trying to promote the democratic party
Not at all.
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