as I’m going through the process of learning vim, I’m discovering newfound powers. one of them being to execute commands from vim itself.

below examples might better explain some of them:

  1. want to see what files are in current directory? enter command mode(by typing :) and follow it by a bang(!). then do ls like you’d do in a terminal and press enter. this is not limited to just ls. you can enter any command that you can enter in terminal. for example: :! uname --operating-system (which will output GNU/Linux :))

  2. so you want to quickly save just a certain part of your file into another file? just select everything you need by entering visual mode(v) and do :w filename(actual command you’ll see would be '<,'>:w filename). verify it using 1.(i.e., :! cat filename.

  3. want to quickly paste another file into current one? do :r filename. it’ll paste its contents below your cursor.

  4. or maybe you want to paste results of a command? do :r !ls *.png.

vim is my ~ sweet ~ now. make it yours too.

  • CriticalMiss@lemmy.world
    57·
    1 year ago

    I love vim, but it wasn’t always like this. When I was a Linux newbie one of the things that irritated me most is that tutorials aimed at beginners told readers to use vim, without explaining how to maneuver it. People, if you write tutorials aimed at beginners please use nano, even if it’s not your preferred text editor.

    • VubDapple@lemmy.world
      17·
      1 year ago

      The first time I opened vim (it was probably just vi at the time) I couldn’t exit it and had to shut down the computer by holding down the power button (!) to regain control of the machine. It took a while before I tried it again. Ultimately nano felt like it was for kids and emacs felt like an even worse option than vi so I memorized a few sequences, eg :q!, :wq, how to enter the insert mode and how to exit it and simple edit commands like dd and x and this gave me enough proficiency to get by.

      Most all the terminal commands require prior study before they become easy to use. Its because Unix was created by engineers rather than by ui/ux design professionals.

        • elvith@feddit.de
          14·
          1 year ago

          Help, how do I exit vi?

          Ctrl+Alt+F2
sudo killall vim

          Hmmm… never thought about that, honestly, but it makes sense

            • thejodie@programming.dev
              2·
              1 year ago

              Luckily it shouldn’t do anything but error out on Unix boxes, as vim is not a valid process signal and their version of killall expects a signal argument (or just -)

            • elvith@feddit.de
              1·
              1 year ago

              Yeah, but in case I’m on a server, I’m going to free all the other trapped users, too! (Although I’d probably just terminate the ssh session then)

      • Slotos@feddit.nl
        6·
        1 year ago

        It’s because Unix was created by engineers rather than by ui/ux design professionals.

        This is somewhat disingenuous. Unix terminal is one of the most ergonomic tools out there. It is not “designed by engineers”, it is engineered for a purpose with user training in mind.

        Ergonomics is engineering. UI/UX design is engineering. UX designer that doesn’t apply engineering method is called an artist.

      • magikmw@lemm.ee
        2·
        1 year ago

        And yet having a sane --help string is enough to get someone going. No need to gatekeep.

    • rustydomino@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      What’s wrong with nano? I love nano. As a general thing I love Linux programs that are terminal based but also have a decent UI. Neomutt comes to mind for email.

      • CriticalMiss@lemmy.world
        6·
        1 year ago

        There’s nothing wrong with nano, it’s a simple text editor while vim is much more versatile and aimed towards that are already accustomed to terminal software.

    • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      6·
      1 year ago

      i agree with your request. vim used to scare me first.

      as a side note: one of the reasons I believe as to why vscode grew in popularity was due to it lowering the barrier to just open up the editor and use it right away(with plugin system and a nice GUI). it is something vim by default doesn’t do.

  • cacheson@kbin.social
    22·
    1 year ago

    I love these memes that turn into threads full of vim tips. You really can do anything within vim. You can even exit vim!: !killall vim

  • DreamButt@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    1 year ago

    It’s like learning an instrument really. Just need to practice and eventually muscle memory will carry you

  • TimeSquirrel@kbin.social
    13·
    1 year ago

    Or I can just NOT waste my life and my sanity trying to remember all that BS and just use a mouse and a GUI editor. I have no need to feel like a hackerman.

    • midnight@kbin.social
      12·
      1 year ago

      Use what you prefer, that’s a big part of what makes linux great. I get not wanting to go through the learning curve.

      That being said, vim is pretty amazing to use, and super efficient, especially with some nice nvim plugins and customization.

    • finestnothing@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 year ago

      On one hand, yes. On the other hand, you don’t need all the keybinds, just remember the useful ones!

      Want to delete a single word? Esc to enter command mode, d i w to delete the word you’re on, I to begin typing again.
      Everything between two of any char, usually parenthesis or quotes? Same process but d i {char} so something like “what are (you doing senpai)” can be made “what are ()” with just a few very quick keystrokes.
      Delete to end of line? D.
      Copy a whole line? yy (or Y for the rest of the line after cursor). Any time you do dd to delete a full line (or D for the rest of the line, or any other delete action) the contents are also copied so you can paste them again somewhere else.

      Can you do anything with vim that you can’t do with a GUI + moise? Technically no - but with vim you can do things significantly faster. There is an initial learning curve to get used to basic keybinds and the 2 modes, but it’s well worth it, and not using the mouse is intoxicatingly faster and more fun.

      I highly recommend doom emacs over vanilla vim- all the power of emacs, but with vim keybinds and a lot of other QOL features. There isn’t much that isn’t already built into vanilla emacs, much less doom emacs, and even less that can’t be added with some packages that you can install from in the app. Web browser? Eww, and you even can use your vim keybinds in it. Doesn’t render everything great graphics wise, but it’s perfect for looking up documentation if you’re lazy. Email? Built in baby. Git? Magit. Notes? Embrace the one true note format, org files and org-roam. File explorer? Dired right in baby. Terminal? Space + o + {t, T} for a terminal in its own buffer for all your terminal pleasures.

      I also always install neovim as a backup, it was my favorite vim client for a while. It’s useful to be able to use it for basic editing if I’m already trolling around in a terminal such as quick edits to docker-compose files before rerunning them

    • lemmesay@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      5·
      1 year ago

      I agree that remembering all these commands is a hassle, and so do nvim devs. that’s why they recommend not to learn the commands1. these will become your second habit if used enough number of times. just like Ctrl+c/v.

      1: from :Tutor in nvim:

      NOTE: As you go through this tutorial, do not try to memorize everything, your Neovim vocabulary will expand with usage. Consider returning to this tutorial periodically for a refresher.

      also, even if you don’t want to use a terminal-based editor, I’d recommended you to give this talk from Bram Moolenaar(creator of vim) a watch. not the whole talk, just a few first minutes. you can even use YouTube chapters to skim through.

      have a nice day :)

    • Hexarei@programming.dev
      4·
      1 year ago

      Honestly I felt the same way for a long time, until I decided to just learn the motions. Now I couldn’t go back.

      The combination of actions and motions makes it incredibly fast to edit code - Imagine you have a strong in double quotes that you want to change the double quotes to single quotes. There’s a plugin called vim-surround that combines with the basic motions and with my cursor before or within the strong, I can just type cs"' and it’s done.

      Want to copy everything within a pair of parentheses? yi) … So many things like that.

      Even for editing things like HTML, `cst delete surrounding tag. That will remove the tag around some content without changing the content.

      (Neo)vim is incredibly important to my workflow these days and it feels like I write and edit code at the speed of thought.

    • SaintWacko@midwest.socialEnglish
      3·
      1 year ago

      Or you can get the best of both worlds and use VSCode with the Neovim plugin! All the benefits of a GUI, but with vim keybinds for the editing!

    • psud@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 year ago

      The good thing about vim or Emacs is that when you know the shortcuts they are so much faster to use than mouse and menu editors (though Emacs has a menu, and supports mouse, which smooths the learning curve)

          • noobdoomguy8658@feddit.deEnglish
            2·
            1 year ago

            The layout is what matters for vim and it’s derivatives. I might be wrong here, but if you really need to be able to use the same keybindings as you would on a English qwerty one, you could try remapping things to their addresses or whatever that’s called - basically the same key, physically, regardless of its layout mapping.

            That being said, it’s vim, you can remap the command to get back to normal mode from terminal mode to whatever key or key sequence you like most.

            Using mouse to scroll up and down your terminal window inside vim also gets you back to normal mode.

            And, well, quitting the shell of your terminal in vim works just fine - either via command or hitting Ctrl+d.

            • psud@lemmy.world
              2·
              1 year ago

              Vim can’t automatically handle other key maps? I’m sure it worked as designed in my dvorak system

              :w to write, not :, (Dvorak has comma where qwerty has w)

              I get it if the keyboard doesn’t use the letters we use, but that person could type in Lemmy with all the normal letters

            • Tau@sopuli.xyz
              2·
              1 year ago

              On my keyboard the layout is mostly the same, it’s not like AZERTY or something like that. The problem is some keys like \ are behind modifiers (In this case AltGr+\), so most times when I’ve tried the Ctrl+\ combination it hasn’t worked (You can see how the keyboard layout is here

  • yesman@lemmy.world
    11·
    1 year ago

    This is the duality of Linux. Linux is an easy OS that’s extremely customizable and everyone should use it. But also you may have to choke out your PC to exit the text editor.

    Did yall know that Notepad has tabs now? So does explorer!

  • hakunawazo@lemmy.world
    9·
    1 year ago

    If you don’t want to use the :! bang command, you could also temporarily exit vim with Ctrl + z and reopen it with fg (like foreground).

  • Victor@lemmy.world
    8·
    1 year ago

    I’m personally a kakoune guy now. I used vim for over a decade, but kakoune just makes much more sense to me. And I thought vim made a lot of sense, too.

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        Yeah baby! There’s always someone who says that – “huh, need to try that out sometime”.

        I really hope you do, it’s always satisfying finding a tool that you enjoy more than the ones you’ve been using. 😊

      • Victor@lemmy.world
        1·
        1 year ago

        I’m thinking that would be more effort than simply installing the kakoune executable. If it’s even possible, that is.

  • khapyman@sopuli.xyz
    8·
    1 year ago

    I will not make vim my sweet as it is optimized for us keyboard. Most of the shortcuts are awful in my native (Finnish) layout. As much of a heretic I am, there is a place for mouse and windowing display managers.

    What I do miss from the Redmont dystopia is Notepad++. Can do anything, can be explained over the phone.

      • khapyman@sopuli.xyz
        2·
        1 year ago

        I have not, and on a glance it looks really interesting, thank you! I will give it a spin and I really hope it is the editor of choice from now on.