Illegal immigrants commit less crime, they grow almost all of our food, immigrants consumed about 27 percent less welfare and entitlement benefits in 2020 than native‐born Americans, they are not the problem
The issue is with capital owners hiring them and the immigrants being forced to work in horrible conditions because they lack the ability to collectively bargain. I do agree that we need a fast, cheap and easy path to citizenship.
Wrong again. The average immigrant has 0 children and the ones that do have 1-2, again on average. Illegal immigrants aren’t driving down the minimal wage. This is objectively untrue as the amount of illegal immigrants are uncorolated to the minimum wage. They are also actually a net gain for the taxpayer. I don’t disagree to the solution, but looking at reality and facts when assessing the situation is the most important first step
I’d guess that their share in child population is bigger not because they have so many children but because citizens don’t have many (of at all) children. It’s the same with all of the developed countries, their birth rates are below population sustain threshold.
Illegal immigrants pay a lot of taxes. You see, in America, we tax all kinds of goods. How are these people buying gas, groceries, and other but not paying taxes?
We also have stats and estimates for the flow of money. A lot of this money goes right back into local economies. Illegal immigrants can’t even send money out of the country without institutions taking a cut.
And people who use fake identifies to earn a check pay taxes. They pay into social security. Most of the time they don’t even qualify for the services they are supporting.
You know what I feel, but don’t have stats for? People who speak negatively about immigrants / illegal immigrants, in general, have no idea how the world functions. Nor do they properly engage with experts who study these things.
Illegal immigrants pay over 1 billion in income taxes. They contribute more income tax to our country than the 1%. They also pay 3x that amount in property taxes. As previously pointed out, there’s a lot of other taxes they pay.
Undocumented workers pay federal taxes and they don’t need stolen identifies to do so. We have a lot of ways to extract value from people even when they’re not formally citizens.
I bet you’re the type of fucker who throws a bucket of water on someone when they ask for something to drink.
“Well… acktchually, a significant portion of moisture absorbed by the human body is absorbed through the skin, so the skin technically is drinking the water. What, was I supposed to read your mind that you wanted a glass of water to drink with your mouth?”
Find your nearest community college, take a few critical thinking courses, then come back to talk with the grownups.
But our government just took down the biggest vendor in the west, embedded third-party watchmen, is bleeding the company, got a judicial opinion that nfts are not that different than other systems and therefore subject to current regulations, etc. It’s probably not a big deal but I’m curious if there’s any stats / estimates.
This is a well formed counter for my tax argument.
That said, I question how many illegal immigrants are actually going through these processes as opposed to ones who dont do it because they are afraid of ICE.
Creating a registry for illegal immigrants isn’t a solution.
No disagreement, but the fact so many sign up despite the risk is pretty amazing. It completely destroys the don’t pay taxes, don’t want to contribute argument, Most hope by doing this they will prove they want to be law abiding citizens when it comes to a hearing.
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Immigrants aren’t having ‘litters’ of children. That’s a racist stereotype. A 59% of all illegal immigrants don’t have a single child
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/US
https://cis.org/Report/Fertility-Among-Immigrants-and-NativeBorn-Americans
Also illegal immigrants don’t collect welfare. You need to be a US a citizen for that.
https://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/eligibility/citizen/non-citizen-policy#:~:text=Only U.S. citizens and certain,as income and resource limits.
Illegal immigrants commit less crime, they grow almost all of our food, immigrants consumed about 27 percent less welfare and entitlement benefits in 2020 than native‐born Americans, they are not the problem
The issue is with capital owners hiring them and the immigrants being forced to work in horrible conditions because they lack the ability to collectively bargain. I do agree that we need a fast, cheap and easy path to citizenship.
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Wrong again. The average immigrant has 0 children and the ones that do have 1-2, again on average. Illegal immigrants aren’t driving down the minimal wage. This is objectively untrue as the amount of illegal immigrants are uncorolated to the minimum wage. They are also actually a net gain for the taxpayer. I don’t disagree to the solution, but looking at reality and facts when assessing the situation is the most important first step
I’d guess that their share in child population is bigger not because they have so many children but because citizens don’t have many (of at all) children. It’s the same with all of the developed countries, their birth rates are below population sustain threshold.
This is wrong.
Illegal immigrants pay a lot of taxes. You see, in America, we tax all kinds of goods. How are these people buying gas, groceries, and other but not paying taxes?
We also have stats and estimates for the flow of money. A lot of this money goes right back into local economies. Illegal immigrants can’t even send money out of the country without institutions taking a cut.
And people who use fake identifies to earn a check pay taxes. They pay into social security. Most of the time they don’t even qualify for the services they are supporting.
You know what I feel, but don’t have stats for? People who speak negatively about immigrants / illegal immigrants, in general, have no idea how the world functions. Nor do they properly engage with experts who study these things.
Oh, fuck off with you.
I was talking about income tax, and you know it.
Evading your income tax also helps the business owner evade their half of payroll taxes.
Illegal immigrants pay over 1 billion in income taxes. They contribute more income tax to our country than the 1%. They also pay 3x that amount in property taxes. As previously pointed out, there’s a lot of other taxes they pay.
Undocumented workers pay federal taxes and they don’t need stolen identifies to do so. We have a lot of ways to extract value from people even when they’re not formally citizens.
Yep, that will definitely sway people reading this.
Do you give lessons in rhetorical techniques?
Assuming people can read your mind is always a good idea.
I bet you’re the type of fucker who throws a bucket of water on someone when they ask for something to drink.
“Well… acktchually, a significant portion of moisture absorbed by the human body is absorbed through the skin, so the skin technically is drinking the water. What, was I supposed to read your mind that you wanted a glass of water to drink with your mouth?”
Find your nearest community college, take a few critical thinking courses, then come back to talk with the grownups.
Till then, keep it to yourself.
You can still trade bitcoin at a coffee shop, it’s just not as convenient as an online exchange.
But our government just took down the biggest vendor in the west, embedded third-party watchmen, is bleeding the company, got a judicial opinion that nfts are not that different than other systems and therefore subject to current regulations, etc. It’s probably not a big deal but I’m curious if there’s any stats / estimates.
That’s why I’m suggesting in-person trading that can just ignore those laws. No companies involved at all.
“Litters of children” like animals amirite? Rational people don’t need to dehumanize to make an argument. Dropped your dog whistle, bud.
Also, how do immigrants collect welfare without social security numbers? Is your premise that 100% are frauders?
I’m child-free.
I call a gaggle of crotchfruit a litter regardless of age, race, color, creed, or origin.
Immigrants are one of the worst offending demographics, however, when it comes to rawdogging it constantly.
Well, that’s a positive.
I know, right?
Watch a lot of immigrant porn?
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I mean you’re wrong, with an IRS issued ITIN undocumented immigrants pay federal taxes amounting to $6 billion a year…
This is a well formed counter for my tax argument.
That said, I question how many illegal immigrants are actually going through these processes as opposed to ones who dont do it because they are afraid of ICE.
Creating a registry for illegal immigrants isn’t a solution.
Easy and cheap road to citizenship is a solution.
No disagreement, but the fact so many sign up despite the risk is pretty amazing. It completely destroys the don’t pay taxes, don’t want to contribute argument, Most hope by doing this they will prove they want to be law abiding citizens when it comes to a hearing.