President Joe Biden pleaded with Republicans on Wednesday for a fresh infusion of military aid for Ukraine, warning that a victory for Russia over Ukraine would leave Moscow in position to attack NATO allies and could draw U.S. troops into a war.
Biden spoke as the United States planned to announce $175 million in additional Ukraine aid from its dwindling supply of money for Kyiv. He signaled a willingness to make significant changes to U.S. migration policy along the border with Mexico to try to draw Republican support.
“If Putin takes Ukraine, he won’t stop there,” Biden said. Putin will attack a NATO ally, he predicted, and then “we’ll have something that we don’t seek and that we don’t have today: American troops fighting Russian troops,” Biden said.
“We can’t let Putin win,” he said, prompting an angry reaction from Moscow.
I still remember that time republicans spent 4th of July in Moscow.
Were they poisoned?
Putin doesn’t poison useful allies.
Are you that sure?
In Russia territory, historically, they call some westerners “useful idiots” .
Not only westerners
Govno Of Putin. Or Putin’s Shit.
The GOP is full of bottom feeding scum who would absolutely love to be Russian oligarchs. I’m surprised we haven’t seen more of them relocate there and actually become them. But then, Russian oligarchs get where they are by having a lot of money and cunning, which a lot of these GOP hucksters don’t have. The only thing some of them have is some really stupid constituents whom they know how to whip into a frenzy bstter than anyone else can. And that’s worth exactly shit in Russia.
LOL “don’t let ur boss win!”
I really hope that Ukraine doesn’t lose their support. If America has to choose between supporting Ukraine in defending themselves from a Russian invasion, and supporting Israel’s obvious goal of carrying out a genocide, it seems like a no brainer to me…
The problem is for the American government the answer is also a no brainer, but they don’t agree with you on the specifics of that no brainer. Israel will always get what it asks for because its a de facto US army base. Look at how the rest of the MIC hamstrings the budget, fails audits, then gets budget increases.
You’re probably right. I just wish we didn’t live in a world where innocent human lives are often considered the cost of doing business.
Many of the evils of buisness are hidden in what economists would call ‘externalities’. Which in essence are consequences that you don’t have to pay for. Human cost has been factored in from the begining and named such that it sounds ‘external’ to the system when really it’s part and parcel of it. Something like most of the forbes 500 would not be profitable if they were liable for their own externalities. Buisnesses on every level are subsidized by the taxpayer and the degradation of local resources or environment that should have been for the public.
– and “stabilizing element” in the middle east. Israel gets a lot of leeway because they’ve proven they have a capable military, intelligence agency, etc. And they’re not at all squeamish about using them.
Capable military intelligence
Oct 7 happened
Pick one
Most people consider the US to have somewhat capable intelligence, but 9/11 still happened.
Yes but word is that they had plenty of intelligence about a major operation. So it wasn’t a lack of intelligence as much as arrogance in the leadership, at best. At worst, well you’d have to get into some dark conspiracy theory.
They bombed a car with a grandma and her three grandkids in Lebanon saying they were terrorists. Israeli “intelligence” is nothing more than AI over satalite imagery and web scaping.
It’s worthless if they just gather a mountain of information but can’t filter any real useful intel from it.
Just curious, where does the ‘genocide’ come from regarding Israel? The stuff I’ve read usually points a very different picture.
To those down voting this person, I really don’t think its called for here. There’s nothing to suggest they’re some troll trying to spread misinformation. The details of this conflict have been kept intentionally vague; coming to a different conclusion doesn’t necessarily imply bad intentions.
Try to remember the down vote isn’t a ‘fuck you’ button. Let’s not be like reddit.
A critical analysis of past Israeli positions and current actions, basically. In brief, Israel refuses any solution that lets the people of Palestine stay, they can’t leave because they have nowhere to go, and Israel’s military policy is that it’s okay to kill them. The easiest path forward for Israel is genocide, and its current actions are congruent with that. (E.g. directing civilians to a place of refuge, and then bombing it.)
Remember, even Germany’s Third Reich didn’t set out to perpetrate a genocide, but circumstances drove them to it.
Remember, even Germany’s Third Reich didn’t set out to perpetrate a genocide, but circumstances drove them to it.
Whaaaa? Mein Kampf was written in 1925. Genocide was planned from before Nazis were even in power.
No circumstances drove them to it.
I chose those words carefully, and said Third Reich, not Hitler. Even the moniker “the final solution” comes from “the final solution to the Jewish question,” which implies that it had tried other solutions previously. The Nazis wanted Jews out of Germany, and as such had done things like encourage Jewish emigration to Palestine before the war. Then they escalated to pogroms and work camps, and before deciding on a Holocaust because they were
losing the war and(edit, in retrospect not the correct interpretation) running low on resources, and that was the most expedient way to clear Jews out of Germany.It’s worth remembering that history, since Israel now seems to be on a similar trajectory with Palestinians.
Then they escalated to pogroms and work camps, and before deciding on a Holocaust
Extermination was planned from the beginning and started before Germany had lost a single battle. Germany wasn’t forced into Holocaust because they were losing the war.
I think what they meant is that Hitler never dreamt he’d gain enough influence to actually make his vision a reality. He thought he may be able to integrate more land into Germany, for instance, but carrying out a genocide in practice is far more complicated than wishing for a genocide in theory.
Circumstances such as German outrage over the treaty of Versailles, the power vacuum surrounding the failing health (and eventual death) of Hindenburg, and unlikely alliances with players such as Japan and the Soviet Union, lent themselves to Hitler pursuing his actual goal of genocide.
That being said, I’m basing all of this on some episodes of Real Dictators I listened to this week, so take my points with a grain of salt.
I’m not a war correspondent or anything, so my opinion is based exclusively on reading accounts of the conflict which I consider to be reputable. That said, when you compare the death toll on either side of the conflict – 17,000 dead Palestinians so far, as compared to the 1,200 Israelis killed during Hamas’ Oct 7 incursion – its easy to see why so many experts have concluded that Israel’s intentions go far beyond retaliation against Hamas alone.
And that’s without even mentioning Israels controversial approach to military targets, the lies they’ve been caught in throughout the conflict, and so on.
Hey, not that I have sources and most likely not qualified to talk about this; But aren’t some of the hitpieces on the civilian casualities also been under hamas control?
There’s information on things being a genocide and also other information saying that hamas is using them as human shields?
Personally I don’t know what to think of Israels actions, since I am very confused about the happenings there. I agree on military action on hamas, but at the same civilian casualities should be kept to a minimum. If you have any more info to read?
Just some other points that I’ve read; Hamas vs Israel has been going on forever now, rockets being shot from gaza Hamas siphoning aid funds to buy/create weapons Hamas using headquarters mostly in populated areas, like hospitals to create propaganda?
Any information to counter whatever beliefs I have are more than welcome, I’d rather be educated on the matter. This post might seem pro-israel, but I decided to focus on the war, not Israel, which I do have major issues with.
Waited to reply so I’m not spreading misinformation in active threads lol.
The bombing of innocent civilians in Gaza in order to destroy Hamas is the genocide being referred too. For Israel, it seems killing innocent civilians is a bonus. Israel’s allies, including the US, are starting to get irritated with the fact that Israel is basically completely disregard for civilian life in Gaza. Israel’s response is basically, we need to kill off Hamas because they want genocide of Israel (not certain of the specifics of Hamas’ goals, but I would definitely that they are generally terrorist group that has control of Gaza, and do want to see Israel fall) so killing civilians is collateral damage. The issue though is that Israel has helped prop up Hamas to keep as an enemy that they think they can control, and use the existence of that enemy as a reason to continue to push out Palestinians from their land. This continued harassment of Palestinians pushes them to join Hamas, and drives Hamas’ actions. This is also partly why Israelis are angry at Netanyahu(?) and his administration, he claimed the power is was scooping up domestically, and using it to exert control on Palestinian land, would keep Israel safe. Instead, they’ve had the biggest attack ever with many Israelis dead.
Check a few telegram channels and watch the videos: wargonzo, JuanSinMiedo, Intel Slava Z, Patrick Lancaster News Today.
Telegram channels. Classy. That’s where you go for russian scammers, sovcits, anti-vaxxers and then rest of the gullible sheep.
He’s pleading with traitors to not be traitors, I don’t see it happening
What a fucking disgraceful and monstrous bunch. This is a scourge that must be goddamn excised, each one of them.
Conservatives are a disease long overdue for a cure.
Honestly, its just the goddamn selfishness and refusal to understand it will always come back and bite us all in the ass. So damn nearsighted + short-term crackhead thinking. They always think they’ll be long gone and skip town when the bill comes due and their fraud is exposed
Where is the military industrial complex when you need them? Come on guys, we know you want the bomb money. Send your lobbyists to threaten Republicans with a lot of ads about how they’re un-Patriotic and anti-American for opposing new war funding.
Maybe they realize there will be more war and profits to make if Putin gets what he wants.
Imagine the bonuses if your country directly got involved in the war!
Yeah don’t kill the fire while it’s small. If it grows larger we can sell more extinguishers!
Too busy making few bombs at absurd prices.
I do wish that the United States would separate support for giving aid for the different countries. They just decided to lump it all together which is disingenuous.
Giving aid to Ukraine is not the same as giving aid to Israel, for one thing Israel super doesn’t need it. They’re more than capable of carrying out a genocide all on their own thank you very much. Ukraine meanwhile is actually fighting a genuine aggressor.
It’s such a shitty moral quandary. We know all the arguments for combining them and they all make sense from a strategic standpoint but you’re absolutely right that they are in no way similar.
I really think Biden should do more of this kind of thing - making the public case for support in Ukraine. His admin just doesn’t do enough communicating from the bully pulpet and this is just the kind of message that would really benefit from it. That was the best thing Obama did as POTUS: explaining things to the public in an adult way, trusting we’d get it.
The Biden admin should be creating opportunities to distinguish him as the rational adult in the room. Let the GOP do their mudslinging. POTUS should be repeating ‘extremely cheap way to fight a long time enemy’ ‘defeating Russia without American soldiers’ blood’. Seriously, administrations during the cold war would salivate at this opportunity to put Russia on its heels.
Not to mention ‘averting a larger war’ when the GOP is trying to paint him as a warmonger, and ‘averting a nuclear crisis’ when he needs to show he’s got strength even in his 80s.
But the Dems seem to always be too concerned about catering to public opinion instead of using their vast resources to shape it.
Everything our government does is disingenuous
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Ask the Kurds what it’s like to be America’s ally.
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No friends but the mountains.
@MicroWave I agree with President Biden. To let Putin win is to let the Republicans win. That is one thing that absolutely must not be allowed to happen.
So, what about those bunker-penetrating rockets?
@uis Whose bunker is being penetrated? I’m no pacifist. There are legitimate targets.
Can you do Putin’s bunker? Asking for a friend.
Sure, if we need them? But when did the Republicans start hiding in bunkers?
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Republicans hold our own government hostage by refusing to pass continuing resolutions and allowing government debt to be paid. You expect them to give a damn about anyone else?
Ah, yes, the prospect of another war with US troops going to a country most Americans couldn’t find without google maps is sure to go over well with people.
Why are you lying and spreading Russian propaganda?
I’m guessing he’s a useful idiot.
Where was that sentiment when America was planting military bases all over the world to protect American interests?
You’re asking someone on the Internet why they didnt say anything about America planting military bases the world over in their post WW2 campaign over 50 years ago? Well Id imagine it’d be hard to find them discussing that on lemmy, if that’s where you’re looking for it.
Like I get that the OP you replied to is an idiot but idk where anyone would be bringing that up online.
What choice is there? An old idiot or a criminal dictator trump.
Biden is old, but I’ve never heard anyone who’s actually worked with him call him an idiot.
Folks don’t think for themselves much. “De teevee done called im Sleepy Joe”
Can also add old to the criminal dictator.
lol, sucka. You got took.
I’m not sure why you choose between Putin and Trump
imagine what that 44 billion could have bought if spent in America on Americans, instead of in Ukraine for Ukrainians…
We have enough money to do both. This spending comes from resources already appropriated for the defense department, and soft power is not something to undervalue.
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Pretty short sighted thinking. You think the global economy will improve if Putin gets his way? He’s not exactly a friend to America last I checked.
You could give each American a grand sum of $133. Truly life changing stuff.
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5% more annual spending in aircraft carriers and shit?
You realize how expensive it would have been if the US would have fought a war against Russia themselves? Right now, Ukraine is defeating one of the top enemies of the US for the US.
No, they’re doing it for themselves. The US is just a beneficiary of their efforts.
Poor choice of words by me, but it was exactly my point. Of course they are fighting for themselves, but the US giving Ukraine weapons is the US fighting Russia without risking any of their own troops. It couldn’t get cheaper than this to fight Russia.
Money well spent; it’s a case where the cynics and idealists can both agree and be correct in their own right. We are destroying Russian power (soft and otherwise) by proxy on a shoestring budget, and we are standing by a sovereign ally at their greatest need.
Exactly. I don’t think people realize that, although it sounds like Ukraine gets a shitload of money, it’s still probably pennies compared to the cost of being in an actual war.
Can you be dumb in private, please?
Profit for Big Oil at the expense of the environment?
About half the military gear and 100 000 dead Americans in WW3.
