Filmmaker and entrepreneur Tyler Perry is a billionaire. His Atlanta studios receive massive tax write-offs, premised on the idea that his success will inspire others. If that sounds familiar, it’s because it’s a liberal version of trickle-down economics.
This is the first I’ve heard of him “pretending” that he’s lifting up black people of Atlanta. I’ve read the article and didn’t see anything that supports that claim. Where is it coming from?
The article basically says: ‘Tyler Perry bought property in a low income area of Atlanta and it hasn’t single-handedly fixed income inequality. See! Liberals support trickle down economics too!’
Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Two of those links are to his own website that he has to promote himself.
Also, neoliberal or not, Tyler Perry is deeply conservative in many ways, including his focus on self-glorifying private charity over supporting the many public programs and NGOs that are much more effective at alleviating poverty like he’s claiming to attempt.
Those are all examples of him donating to charity and helping people which is the opposite of pretending.
And why are you referring to him as a neoliberal? The article mentioned liberals in the American politics context. Which has nothing to do with neoliberalism.
Just because he chose to donate to charity doesn’t mean he ‘chose it over supporting public programs’.
I’ve donated to charity before. Does that mean I am I neoliberal that is deeply conservative etc, etc? Nope. I just wanted to help and if that wasn’t the most effective way to help then I just didn’t know of a better way.
Liberal = neoliberalism. Democrats are neolibs, self identified liberals and most “progressives” are neolibs that don’t understand what neoliberalism is. Political conversations at the very least need to come from a mutual understanding of what words mean, and liberal is a pretty important one in the context of this conversation.
Also, philanthropy is a scam. The only thing Tyler Perry is helping is his PR, like every other rich person that “uplifts their community”. Its a farce to trick people like you into being more content with the status quo. I will agree that singling out Tyler Perry here is an odd move because he isn’t doing anything unique, but that’s about it
You’re trying to claim that the article is using the definition of neoliberalism when referring to liberals in American politics? That’s observably false. Just look at the context.
The article tries to spin this as a “gotcha” because those who American Conservatives call “liberals” in American politics campaign against trickle down economics.
Do neoliberals campaign against trickle down economics? Nope.
Reaganomics pushed trickle down economics in the 80s and was neoliberal to the core.
American Conservative’s use of “Liberal” ≠ neoliberalism
I commented earlier, having only skimmed the article. What I said was incorrect so I deleted the comment. The article is literally about the hypocrisy of Democrats in regards to trickle down economics. They say they’re against neoliberalism, yet give wealthy individuals sweetheart deals, allow then to exploit tax loopholes and divert public funds into 0rivaye enterprises. These are all features of trickle down economics which are present in Tyler Perry’s actions in Atlanta, a Democrat run city.
The journalist’s use of liberal is correct and they’re highlighting examples of neoliberal ideology in the Democrat party. Despite the rhetoric of the Democrat party, their actions smack of neoliberalism. Outside of the handful of social democrats present in the Democrat party, who is campaigning against trickle down economics? Where have they been successful/made an earnest attempt?
American conservatives are fascists. Words mean nothing to them and it’s a very common tactic to obfuscate the definitions of common terms to serve their own purposes. Why should anyone use their definitions or consider their perspective? They constantly change both of those to fit their needs in the moment.
Again, the article isn’t using the conservative “definition” of liberal, it’s using the actual definition of liberal. If anything you seem to be applying the conservative definition of liberal to the article and the obvious conflict of that is leading you to confusion
Is it just the opposite? Is he actively hindering the black people of Atlanta? Is he doing something differently than all the other wealthy people in GA? If not then I don’t see why he alone is called out here.
Well he famously sued the IRS and got $9m out of that. Pretty sure lots of public programs needed those 9 millions more than a guy who already have more than a thousand millions.
All obscenely wealthy people are contributing to poverty through pathological hoarding of resources best used elsewhere. Other people doing it too doesn’t absolve Perry from his complicity.
As for why he’s being singled out, it’s probably because every other time he’s mentioned, the press fawns over his charity and he’s constantly promoting it himself. Even got at least one award for it.
I don’t have any details about him suing the IRS but I do know that you don’t win a lawsuit against the IRS without a strong case so he probably had a strong case. If they overcharged him $9,000,000 in taxes or something then he shouldn’t have to pay it just like the rest of us shouldn’t have to overpay our taxes. I’m sure the Pentagon could have found plenty of ways to vanish that money but they seem to be doing just fine without it.
I’ve never claimed anything of the kind. Still, that more and more of the world’s income and wealth are concentrated with just a few rich people while the rest gets poorer and poorer is a fact so well-known that you’d have to be wilfully ignorant to not be aware of it.
No. Back when all wealth was physically represented like the caricature your strawman is claiming, wealth and income concentration and inequality was much less severe than it is now. That you can’t differentiate between the hoard of Smaug and the hoard of Musk isn’t my fault.
That you can’t differentiate between the hoard of Smaug and the hoard of Musk isn’t my fault.
This isn’t how wealth works, so I’m pretty good at differentiating between them.
Did you mean to say “if I can’t see the similarities between them?” You’d still be just as incorrect, factually, but the sentence would make more sense.
What I’m saying is that it doesn’t have to be physical hoarding to be hoarding and detrimental to the rest of society.
For example, wealth that stays with the bottom 90% wealth-wise circulate throughout society, benefiting everyone.
Conversely, once it reaches the 10% wealthiest people, the vast majority goes towards nothing but accumulation of more wealth for the top 10%, effectively removing it from the larger economy and thus making the 90% poorer.
I think it’s more about the fact that he’s pretending that he’s lifting up the black people of Atlanta when in reality it’s the opposite.
Just like with every other billionaire pretending to be a philanthropic force in the world.
This is the first I’ve heard of him “pretending” that he’s lifting up black people of Atlanta. I’ve read the article and didn’t see anything that supports that claim. Where is it coming from?
The article basically says: ‘Tyler Perry bought property in a low income area of Atlanta and it hasn’t single-handedly fixed income inequality. See! Liberals support trickle down economics too!’
This seems like it’s written in bad faith.
Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist. Two of those links are to his own website that he has to promote himself.
Also, neoliberal or not, Tyler Perry is deeply conservative in many ways, including his focus on self-glorifying private charity over supporting the many public programs and NGOs that are much more effective at alleviating poverty like he’s claiming to attempt.
Those are all examples of him donating to charity and helping people which is the opposite of pretending.
And why are you referring to him as a neoliberal? The article mentioned liberals in the American politics context. Which has nothing to do with neoliberalism.
Just because he chose to donate to charity doesn’t mean he ‘chose it over supporting public programs’.
I’ve donated to charity before. Does that mean I am I neoliberal that is deeply conservative etc, etc? Nope. I just wanted to help and if that wasn’t the most effective way to help then I just didn’t know of a better way.
Ok, you clearly don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. We’re done here.
If that’s true then explain why you think so.
Liberal = neoliberalism. Democrats are neolibs, self identified liberals and most “progressives” are neolibs that don’t understand what neoliberalism is. Political conversations at the very least need to come from a mutual understanding of what words mean, and liberal is a pretty important one in the context of this conversation.
Also, philanthropy is a scam. The only thing Tyler Perry is helping is his PR, like every other rich person that “uplifts their community”. Its a farce to trick people like you into being more content with the status quo. I will agree that singling out Tyler Perry here is an odd move because he isn’t doing anything unique, but that’s about it
You’re trying to claim that the article is using the definition of neoliberalism when referring to liberals in American politics? That’s observably false. Just look at the context.
The article tries to spin this as a “gotcha” because those who American Conservatives call “liberals” in American politics campaign against trickle down economics.
Do neoliberals campaign against trickle down economics? Nope.
Reaganomics pushed trickle down economics in the 80s and was neoliberal to the core.
American Conservative’s use of “Liberal” ≠ neoliberalism
I commented earlier, having only skimmed the article. What I said was incorrect so I deleted the comment. The article is literally about the hypocrisy of Democrats in regards to trickle down economics. They say they’re against neoliberalism, yet give wealthy individuals sweetheart deals, allow then to exploit tax loopholes and divert public funds into 0rivaye enterprises. These are all features of trickle down economics which are present in Tyler Perry’s actions in Atlanta, a Democrat run city.
The journalist’s use of liberal is correct and they’re highlighting examples of neoliberal ideology in the Democrat party. Despite the rhetoric of the Democrat party, their actions smack of neoliberalism. Outside of the handful of social democrats present in the Democrat party, who is campaigning against trickle down economics? Where have they been successful/made an earnest attempt?
American conservatives are fascists. Words mean nothing to them and it’s a very common tactic to obfuscate the definitions of common terms to serve their own purposes. Why should anyone use their definitions or consider their perspective? They constantly change both of those to fit their needs in the moment.
Again, the article isn’t using the conservative “definition” of liberal, it’s using the actual definition of liberal. If anything you seem to be applying the conservative definition of liberal to the article and the obvious conflict of that is leading you to confusion
Yes, they do. Obama, both Clintons, and to a lesser extent Biden are all at least predominantly driven by neoliberal ideology.
The caricature of neoliberalism as an unchanging belief brought forth immaculately by Regan and Thatcher is what they don’t align with.
Real neoliberalism, in actual practice, prefers market solutions with the government working to address externalities in the system.
It’s basically what broad-spectrum liberals and progressives across the board want, which is why socialists demonize it so much.
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Is it just the opposite? Is he actively hindering the black people of Atlanta? Is he doing something differently than all the other wealthy people in GA? If not then I don’t see why he alone is called out here.
Well he famously sued the IRS and got $9m out of that. Pretty sure lots of public programs needed those 9 millions more than a guy who already have more than a thousand millions.
All obscenely wealthy people are contributing to poverty through pathological hoarding of resources best used elsewhere. Other people doing it too doesn’t absolve Perry from his complicity.
As for why he’s being singled out, it’s probably because every other time he’s mentioned, the press fawns over his charity and he’s constantly promoting it himself. Even got at least one award for it.
I don’t have any details about him suing the IRS but I do know that you don’t win a lawsuit against the IRS without a strong case so he probably had a strong case. If they overcharged him $9,000,000 in taxes or something then he shouldn’t have to pay it just like the rest of us shouldn’t have to overpay our taxes. I’m sure the Pentagon could have found plenty of ways to vanish that money but they seem to be doing just fine without it.
This isn’t how wealth works. Rich people don’t have Scrooge McDuck vaults, because then they’d get poorer every day
I’ve never claimed anything of the kind. Still, that more and more of the world’s income and wealth are concentrated with just a few rich people while the rest gets poorer and poorer is a fact so well-known that you’d have to be wilfully ignorant to not be aware of it.
This is you making that claim.
No. Back when all wealth was physically represented like the caricature your strawman is claiming, wealth and income concentration and inequality was much less severe than it is now. That you can’t differentiate between the hoard of Smaug and the hoard of Musk isn’t my fault.
This isn’t how wealth works, so I’m pretty good at differentiating between them.
Did you mean to say “if I can’t see the similarities between them?” You’d still be just as incorrect, factually, but the sentence would make more sense.
What I’m saying is that it doesn’t have to be physical hoarding to be hoarding and detrimental to the rest of society.
For example, wealth that stays with the bottom 90% wealth-wise circulate throughout society, benefiting everyone.
Conversely, once it reaches the 10% wealthiest people, the vast majority goes towards nothing but accumulation of more wealth for the top 10%, effectively removing it from the larger economy and thus making the 90% poorer.