Just weeks after hugely disruptive protests and strikes over pension reforms in France finally died down, businesses in the country are grappling with the fallout from a week of rioting.

Just weeks after hugely disruptive protests and strikes over pension reforms in France finally died down, businesses in the country are grappling with the fallout from a week of rioting.

  • coffeewithalex@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 year ago

    Do you have any idea how many people are killed by the police when they are unarmed?

    Fewer than armed people killing other people when the police isn’t there. If that ain’t true then obviously the police should be disbanded. And since you haven’t brought up any data, I will bring it, from the latest news. 15 incidents like that, in France, in the last year. And according to data I found for 2016, there were around 1500 total gun deaths (about 100 times more).

    So yeah, I have an idea. Do you?

    Here it was blatent murder

    A person was killed. Whether it was murder or manslaughter, is not up to you to decide because you have no degree in law in France.

    and if it wasn’t for the video leaked on social media the cop would face absolutely no consequences.

    Ok, so the cop will face consequences now. Isn’t that the goal? Why hurt other people that have nothing to do with it? Your reasoning is completely absent here.

    When justice fail, the social contract is broken

    Who is gonna carry out justice for all the assholes that hurt people in these riots? Shall we play the escalation game just to satisfy your weird revenge boner?

    When the social contract is broken, there is no peace or discussion.

    So your solution is to escalate violence endlessly. slow clap

    Neither France nor the USA were built on peaceful protests.

    You don’t know history very well, do you? You’re comparing authoritarian regimes with democratic ones now.

    • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      1 year ago

      Your data is considering suicides… And a cop killing someone is also a murder, so it will go in the stats of people killed by gunshot.

      So yes, cops are actually responsible for 15% of murders in France with guns. We can also say that cops kill more than terrorism.

      If you’re fine with this, there’s no point discussing further.

      • coffeewithalex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        2·
        1 year ago

        I explicitly said that I’m all for justice. You are being dishonest with your last statement, which is an emotional reaction that is completely unnecessary. Cool down.

        So if your sources are correct, then when comparing the organization that should have the monopoly on violence, to how much violence they enact, it’s 15%,… it’s kinda dumb, isn’t it? It’s dumb to expect the organization with the monopoly on violence to enact an order of magnitude less violence than the “competitors”.

        • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          1 year ago

          Man the monopoly of violence is certainly not the right to murder unarmed people! Do you realize what you’re saying?!

          • coffeewithalex@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            When other people murder far more people, is the police just supposed to watch it happen?

            Is there an end to your naive idealism?

            • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              1 year ago

              That’s not the question. Police stopping murderers doesn’t mean police has to become murderers too. If I’m naive or idealistic, you’re a fascist.

              • coffeewithalex@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                1 year ago

                So how is the police supposed to stop murderers who threaten to murder them? Care to elaborate your ultimate wisdom?

                • bouh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  1 year ago

                  Do you know there countries where the police is unarmed? It’s called civilization.