I’ve been using Safari exclusively since 2013, completely sidestepping all of this drama. I haven’t seen an ad on YouTube in several years. I also haven’t seen any hint of YouTube blocking my access to videos.
But for everyone who needs Windows, and the growing number of Linux users, FireFox seems like the only democratic option left.
Safari is holding back the web with their old, quirky, outdated engine. However, as Safari’s engine is the only option for iOS, most web developers can’t afford to ignore Safari because they can’t ignore the iPhone. So it’s IE all over again - an old, outdated browser that everyone nevertheless has to support as a significant portion of the users are using it. In some ways it’s even worse, as iPhone users don’t have any choice due to Apple’s restrictions, but even in the darkest days of IE’s stranglehold on the web Microsoft never restricted what browsers you could install on Windows.
However, as Safari’s engine is the only option for iOS, most web developers can’t afford to ignore Safari because they can’t ignore the iPhone
That’s going to change next year thanks to the Digital Markets Act in Europe. Third-party app stores will have to be allowed on iPhones which means different browser engines will be able to be installed on iOS.
I can imagine app-developers that do no want to pay 30% of their earnings to Apple, opensource apps, alternative browsers like Brave, Firefox, Chrome/Chromium, game developers like Epic, and others that cannot or don’t want to provide their apps on the standard app store, will be exclusive to third-party stores. If some of those happen to be killer apps or start trending, then maybe it’s possible Apple users will take a step outside their walled garden.
It’s entirely possible Apple will try to make the third party app store a nigh intolerable experience or make advertisements and officials claims that it’s safer without third-party stores or whatever. Standard corporate bullshit.
Apple is pretty notorious for holding the web back post Steve Jobs. As an example, it took them forever for push notifications for web apps on mobile (like literally years behind their competition)
I’m not disagreeing in general but I’ve literally never wanted to use push notifications from a Web app. All it does is create another thing to decline on shirty websites.
I made a chat app for my Minecraft server back in 2016 that was just a website with push notifications. Worked great for the folks that had an Android device to talk to people on the server, for people with iOS it was useless.
I don’t run that chat app anymore, but… There are use cases for these things that aren’t just “would you like to revive notifications about my blog posts/spam?”
Firefox looking better all the time…
I’ve been using Safari exclusively since 2013, completely sidestepping all of this drama. I haven’t seen an ad on YouTube in several years. I also haven’t seen any hint of YouTube blocking my access to videos.
But for everyone who needs Windows, and the growing number of Linux users, FireFox seems like the only democratic option left.
That’s great, but on the downside you’ve been using the new Internet Explorer.
…howso?
Safari is holding back the web with their old, quirky, outdated engine. However, as Safari’s engine is the only option for iOS, most web developers can’t afford to ignore Safari because they can’t ignore the iPhone. So it’s IE all over again - an old, outdated browser that everyone nevertheless has to support as a significant portion of the users are using it. In some ways it’s even worse, as iPhone users don’t have any choice due to Apple’s restrictions, but even in the darkest days of IE’s stranglehold on the web Microsoft never restricted what browsers you could install on Windows.
That’s going to change next year thanks to the Digital Markets Act in Europe. Third-party app stores will have to be allowed on iPhones which means different browser engines will be able to be installed on iOS.
Won’t most people see it as too much hassle?
I can imagine app-developers that do no want to pay 30% of their earnings to Apple, opensource apps, alternative browsers like Brave, Firefox, Chrome/Chromium, game developers like Epic, and others that cannot or don’t want to provide their apps on the standard app store, will be exclusive to third-party stores. If some of those happen to be killer apps or start trending, then maybe it’s possible Apple users will take a step outside their walled garden.
It’s entirely possible Apple will try to make the third party app store a nigh intolerable experience or make advertisements and officials claims that it’s safer without third-party stores or whatever. Standard corporate bullshit.
Apple is pretty notorious for holding the web back post Steve Jobs. As an example, it took them forever for push notifications for web apps on mobile (like literally years behind their competition)
I’m not disagreeing in general but I’ve literally never wanted to use push notifications from a Web app. All it does is create another thing to decline on shirty websites.
I made a chat app for my Minecraft server back in 2016 that was just a website with push notifications. Worked great for the folks that had an Android device to talk to people on the server, for people with iOS it was useless.
I don’t run that chat app anymore, but… There are use cases for these things that aren’t just “would you like to revive notifications about my blog posts/spam?”
That sounds like a really cool use case! It’s a shame it’s mostly just basically abused for spam
Safari only introduced a date input field like 2 years ago
There are webkit based browsers on Linux as well, GNOME Web being one; but yeah, I prefer Firefox.
always has been