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Your “source” was just a link to the whole constitution of the Confederacy. You didn’t actually cite any specific examples to back up your point, you just said they were comparable without elaborating. Did you even read it before linking? They may be comparable in some ways, but perhaps rather different in others. It’s probably arguable, but you didn’t bother, so I don’t know what your thought process was. It doesn’t matter what it was now, but that’s what citations and sources are for. What specific parts of the constitution are you referencing? Which specific parts are similar to the 2025 Plan or fascistic political ideology and what are the parallels? You’ve already demonstrated for me in practical terms that you don’t know when to use a source or how to cite it. Your only defense is projecting your ignorance onto me. They are not for questions at all, but for statements, of which you make many unfounded and unsupported ones. If I say Ronald McDonald is actually a Mormon and when asked for proof, I simply link the entire Book of Mormon, that wouldn’t prove my point at all and you’d have no idea what I meant.
Also, the CSA was really bad, right? In listing the CSA’s constitution as a kind of predecessor to the 2025 Plan, you acknowledge that this is a big deal. Shouldn’t that make you way more willing to do whatever it takes to defeat the plan, even if it means sucking it up and voting for a centrist if there’s no other chance?
My strategy has worked about 45% of the time in the last 100 years (8/18 times) and yours has worked exactly 0% of the time. The Greens’ membership fell by about 27% between 2004-2009 and has remained mostly stagnant in terms of growth since then (that’s a citation, a direct or paraphrased quote from a source I used so you’d know I didn’t just pull it from nowhere. You haven’t done that, so I don’t know the same for your state Its just the important bit, so you don’t have to read the whole thing, but you are able to go find a cited quote if you feel compelled). Your strategy is failing utterly right before our eyes and all you can do to distract from it is to point at others. My strategy actually accomplishes real harm reduction because during a significant amount of the time, less extreme policies are being passed than if they were under a republican. Dems at least pump the breaks a little bit, while the Greens aren’t there to pump the breaks at all. Don’t worry, though, they said that they would totally have stopped the crash singlehandedly if they were there. The DNC certainly aren’t the revolutionaries I wish they were, but it’s obviously better than letting the right have total free reign. The Greens have never been around to effect any legislation one way or another. Your strategy accomplishes literally nothing as opposed to at least something demonstrable. Failed idealism is still failure.
You seem to be under the impression that the Green Party would stay true to their beliefs better than the DNC, but this also would appear untrue. In the few places where the Greens have won any elections, they have to compromise with the right just as the DNC does. Here they are approving a new lignite mine (very similar to coal, used in same ways) in Germany under pressure from the right and wealthy. If they wouldn’t actually be capable of being much better than the DNC because of opposition, then what’s the point of working so hard to build a party and letting the right take the advantage in the meantime, only for basically the same outcome? Sounds like a whole lot of wasted chances when we could have just voted for the people already doing this.
Everything you’ve criticized Biden for, you haven’t acknowledged that Trump would be worse on all accounts, as he’s already demonstrated in his presidency. The Green Party can’t offer an immediate solution for that. As only one example, Trump was setting records for so many drone strikes that he stopped publishing the numbers. In his first year, Biden reduced drone strikes by 54% from Trump’s final year. 100% would be better, but you’d be a fool to reject a reduction that big. That is real harm reduction. Those are families who didn’t get blown up, when they would have under Trump. Biden also made it harder for the Pentagon and CIA to launch their own drone strikes.
Here’s a list of inconsistent thoughts regarding your stated reasons for advocating for the Greens; criticizing the DNC for being ineffective when the Greens have little at all to point to whatsoever; criticizing the DNC for compromises with the right when the Greens would have to make those same compromises; complaining the dems get the right elected and telling people to vote for someone unelectable which only ends up helping the right by diluting votes.
You said it, voting Green really is the least one can do lmao. It might be easier to simply bring down the whole government and start from scratch than it would be to get a Green president elected anytime in the next 20 years. It took me about as long as it takes to vote Green to write this comment and the time I spent was just as “valuable” lol.
Your “source” was just a link to the whole constitution of the Confederacy. You didn’t actually cite any specific examples to back up your point, you just said they were comparable without elaborating. Did you even read it before linking?
Which is exactly what you asked for. If you read it, you would know.You didn’t even link project 2025, just another scare tactic that works on triggered libs like yourself.
Also this must be your first time in an exchange since you don’t know how to quote and instead use a big block of text because your clearly lazy and have no penchant for political analysis.
They may be comparable in some ways, but perhaps rather different in others. It’s probably arguable, but you didn’t bother, so I don’t know what your thought process was. It doesn’t matter what it was now, but that’s what citations and sources are for. What specific parts of the constitution are you referencing? Which specific parts are similar to the 2025 Plan or fascistic political ideology and what are the parallels?
They are not comparable, article I.3 and IV.3 are far beyond anything in project 2025. Also this existed, unlike project 2025.
You’ve already demonstrated for me in practical terms that you don’t know when to use a source or how to cite it. Your only defense is projecting your ignorance onto me. They are not for questions at all, but for statements, of which you make many unfounded and unsupported ones.
Extremely hypocritical from someone not even posting links so support your argument that voting for Democrats is good, you also just write noncoherent blocks of texts unlike me who has systematically quoted and dunked on every one of your talking points from CNN.
In listing the CSA’s constitution as a kind of predecessor to the 2025 Plan, you acknowledge that this is a big deal.
Once again never said that. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths you’re causing yourself a lot of grief but that why liberals like yourself are so confused. I said that’s an actual example in reality unlike project 2025 which is not possible with current demographics.
My strategy has worked about 45% of the time in the last 100 years (8/18 times) and yours has worked exactly 0% of the time.
What is your strategy again? Just voting for Democrats to pass extreme right wing economic policy? It looks like you’re simply confused about being on the left. You are not when you support right wing policy.
The Greens’ membership fell by about 27% between 2004-2009 and has remained mostly stagnant in terms of growth since then
Your strategy is failing utterly right before our eyes and all you can do to distract from it is to point at others. My strategy actually accomplishes real harm reduction because during a significant amount of the time, less extreme policies are being passed
LOL, so you admit you are a right winger after all.
Greens are building momentum so nope not failing at all unlike the Democrats. (Unless you’re a multimillionaire of course)
Dems at least pump the breaks a little bit, while the Greens aren’t there to pump the breaks at all. Don’t worry, though, they said that they would totally have stopped the crash singlehandedly if they were there. The DNC certainly aren’t the revolutionaries I wish they were, but it’s obviously better than letting the right have total free reign. The Greens have never been around to effect any legislation one way or another. Your strategy accomplishes literally nothing as opposed to at least something demonstrable. Failed idealism is still failure.
They don’t pump the brakes, you’re just blind and probably too privileged to notice decline in quality of life of the poor and big uptick in eviction rates https://evictionlab.org/eviction-tracking/
Greens haven’t had a chance in congress or the presidency to make an impact unlike the Dems. They’ve had all they chances they need to prove their intention is to increase wealth inequality, but you support that as you are right wing.
You seem to be under the impression that the Green Party would stay true to their beliefs better than the DNC, but this also would appear untrue.
Green party US is not in any way responsible of whats happening in Germany, you’re getting desperate to convince yourself voting for genocide is okay. (It’s not)
In the few places where the Greens have won any elections, they have to compromise with the right just as the DNC does.
Not true at all. The vast majority of over 140 elected Greens in the US are in local politics making moves you don’t know or care about.
https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/
Everything you’ve criticized Biden for, you haven’t acknowledged that Trump would be worse on all accounts, as he’s already demonstrated in his presidency.
100% false. Trump legitimately had a better foreign policy record than Biden does right now. Biden has been a complete disaster on the world stage.
Biden reduced drone strikes by 54% from Trump’s final year.
You are ignoring Biden sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine to get them killed instead of negotiating. Then he sent more weapons to Israel to kill civilian in Gaza.
You bring up drone strikes as if a reduction is reducing civilians killed while Biden kills over 14,00 civilians in Gaza? Absolutely disgusting from you.
Here’s a list of inconsistent thoughts regarding your stated reasons for advocating for the Greens; criticizing the DNC for being ineffective when the Greens have little at all to point to whatsoever; criticizing the DNC for compromises with the right when the Greens would have to make those same compromises; complaining the dems get the right elected and telling people to vote for someone unelectable which only ends up helping the right by diluting votes.
The DNC is ineffective on purpose. Vote for the Greens to get them elected then you can complain. You have no evidence of Green party US compromising with the right at all. Dems do get the right elected by being terrible policy makers. The right is weak in the US demographically, the only thing stopping the Greens from getting to have a chance is DNC propaganda which is working well on you. The duopoly is very weak right now Gallup polling last month found that a record 49% of Americans see themselves as politically independen so is the perfect time to vote for left wing parties.
You said it, voting Green really is the least one can do lmao. It might be easier to simply bring down the whole government and start from scratch than it would be to get a Green president elected anytime in the next 20 years. It took me about as long as it takes to vote Green to write this comment and the time I spent was just as “valuable” lol.
Yet you spend so much time and effort justifying your support for genocide that you can’t take the time out of your day to vote for a left party. You are not part of the left.
No, I asked for a document comparable to the 2025 plan, go back and reread it. It’s not my fault you misread and gripped to that misinterpretation for too long.
I did give links. Specific ones that actually supported what I had said. Something beyond your capabilities because you’ve just given a bunch of irrelevant information. So what about Obama, VPs don’t authorize drone strikes. The Greens haven’t helped eviction rates ones bit. Your state’s local Green membership doesn’t mean shit.
You love to just make crazy-ass, unsupportable statements. I’ll give it a shot, too. The Greens pass far-right legislation. The Greens love to secretly do poorly on purpose because their goal is to weaken the left from the inside. Article 4 of the Green Party charter is worse than any policy ever enacted by Nazi Germany. Stein wants to launch nuclear war all over the world.
Normally quotes are usually unnecessary because the person you’re speaking to can remember what they themselves said. I suppose I expected too much of you.
No, I asked for a document comparable to the 2025 plan, go back and reread it. It’s not my fault you misread and gripped to that misinterpretation for too long.
That’s exactly what I provided except it was a real document and not some theory that doesn’t exist.
I did give links. Specific ones that actually supported what I had said.
No, you gave a few links to irrelevant information.
Something beyond your capabilities because you’ve just given a bunch of irrelevant information
Incredibly ironic.
So what about Obama, VPs don’t authorize drone strikes.
Genocide Joe did exactly nothing to stop it. Not a word. Not a lifted finger because he is complicit in the killing of civilians.
The Greens haven’t helped eviction rates ones bit. Your state’s local Green membership doesn’t mean shit.
Because you won’t vote for them.
The Greens pass far-right legislation.
Unsubstantiated.
The Greens love to secretly do poorly on purpose because their goal is to weaken the left from the inside.
No examples of that, whereas Democrats make whole careers out of it. You don’t want to accept that reality that your votes for them only ensure they stay wealthy and in power instead of taking a chance on the Greens.
Stein wants to launch nuclear war all over the world.
Ironic when you vote for Joe Biden who is literally escalating tensions with nuclear powers.
Normally quotes are usually unnecessary because the person you’re speaking to can remember what they themselves said. I suppose I expected too much of you.
Aww, you’re sad you have your bullshit called out with quotes. Oh well, looks like I win this one.
Jill Stein personally participated in and helped to cover up the Srebrenica Massacre. She steals candy from children. The Green Party personally sends out envoys to cut down our rainforests and bleach our coral reefs. They’re also flat-Earthers who want to ban ice cream.
Unsubstantiated
LMAO. From our discussion so far, you don’t even know the meaning of hypocrisy or unsubstantiated. The Green Party is far-right and passes far-right legislation. Sound familiar?
Go look back and see who actually provided links in this discussion. You sent a link about green party membership without even knowing the rules of party membership. I’ve done a far better job substantiating my arguments.
All you’ve done is make excuses for voting for genocide so you don’t feel bad about killing children.
The Green Party is actually the leading cause of HIV infections in the country. Stein spits in people’s food. She also hates dogs and cats. The Green Party and the National Bolshevik movement are closely linked.
If you think you’ve been totally reasonable this whole time, you’re deluding yourself. You’ve just been brainlessly repeating shit like “the dems are far-right genocide encouragers.” And not even elaborating. In the face of the actual far right, you sound completely nuts. It’s no more true than any ridiculous nonsense off the top of my head. You’re so smug you actually think you’ve convinced yourself that your absurd opinions are facts.
That’s fine, I knew you wouldn’t have the attention span to read it, seeing as you can’t muster a thought longer than an elementary-level sentence. Elaboration is a good thing. You’re still wrong and you still don’t know what a citation is. The last sentence of my comment sums it all up pretty well, anyway.
Your “source” was just a link to the whole constitution of the Confederacy. You didn’t actually cite any specific examples to back up your point, you just said they were comparable without elaborating. Did you even read it before linking? They may be comparable in some ways, but perhaps rather different in others. It’s probably arguable, but you didn’t bother, so I don’t know what your thought process was. It doesn’t matter what it was now, but that’s what citations and sources are for. What specific parts of the constitution are you referencing? Which specific parts are similar to the 2025 Plan or fascistic political ideology and what are the parallels? You’ve already demonstrated for me in practical terms that you don’t know when to use a source or how to cite it. Your only defense is projecting your ignorance onto me. They are not for questions at all, but for statements, of which you make many unfounded and unsupported ones. If I say Ronald McDonald is actually a Mormon and when asked for proof, I simply link the entire Book of Mormon, that wouldn’t prove my point at all and you’d have no idea what I meant.
Also, the CSA was really bad, right? In listing the CSA’s constitution as a kind of predecessor to the 2025 Plan, you acknowledge that this is a big deal. Shouldn’t that make you way more willing to do whatever it takes to defeat the plan, even if it means sucking it up and voting for a centrist if there’s no other chance?
My strategy has worked about 45% of the time in the last 100 years (8/18 times) and yours has worked exactly 0% of the time. The Greens’ membership fell by about 27% between 2004-2009 and has remained mostly stagnant in terms of growth since then (that’s a citation, a direct or paraphrased quote from a source I used so you’d know I didn’t just pull it from nowhere. You haven’t done that, so I don’t know the same for your state Its just the important bit, so you don’t have to read the whole thing, but you are able to go find a cited quote if you feel compelled). Your strategy is failing utterly right before our eyes and all you can do to distract from it is to point at others. My strategy actually accomplishes real harm reduction because during a significant amount of the time, less extreme policies are being passed than if they were under a republican. Dems at least pump the breaks a little bit, while the Greens aren’t there to pump the breaks at all. Don’t worry, though, they said that they would totally have stopped the crash singlehandedly if they were there. The DNC certainly aren’t the revolutionaries I wish they were, but it’s obviously better than letting the right have total free reign. The Greens have never been around to effect any legislation one way or another. Your strategy accomplishes literally nothing as opposed to at least something demonstrable. Failed idealism is still failure.
You seem to be under the impression that the Green Party would stay true to their beliefs better than the DNC, but this also would appear untrue. In the few places where the Greens have won any elections, they have to compromise with the right just as the DNC does. Here they are approving a new lignite mine (very similar to coal, used in same ways) in Germany under pressure from the right and wealthy. If they wouldn’t actually be capable of being much better than the DNC because of opposition, then what’s the point of working so hard to build a party and letting the right take the advantage in the meantime, only for basically the same outcome? Sounds like a whole lot of wasted chances when we could have just voted for the people already doing this.
Everything you’ve criticized Biden for, you haven’t acknowledged that Trump would be worse on all accounts, as he’s already demonstrated in his presidency. The Green Party can’t offer an immediate solution for that. As only one example, Trump was setting records for so many drone strikes that he stopped publishing the numbers. In his first year, Biden reduced drone strikes by 54% from Trump’s final year. 100% would be better, but you’d be a fool to reject a reduction that big. That is real harm reduction. Those are families who didn’t get blown up, when they would have under Trump. Biden also made it harder for the Pentagon and CIA to launch their own drone strikes.
Here’s a list of inconsistent thoughts regarding your stated reasons for advocating for the Greens; criticizing the DNC for being ineffective when the Greens have little at all to point to whatsoever; criticizing the DNC for compromises with the right when the Greens would have to make those same compromises; complaining the dems get the right elected and telling people to vote for someone unelectable which only ends up helping the right by diluting votes.
You said it, voting Green really is the least one can do lmao. It might be easier to simply bring down the whole government and start from scratch than it would be to get a Green president elected anytime in the next 20 years. It took me about as long as it takes to vote Green to write this comment and the time I spent was just as “valuable” lol.
Which is exactly what you asked for. If you read it, you would know.You didn’t even link project 2025, just another scare tactic that works on triggered libs like yourself.
Also this must be your first time in an exchange since you don’t know how to quote and instead use a big block of text because your clearly lazy and have no penchant for political analysis.
They are not comparable, article I.3 and IV.3 are far beyond anything in project 2025. Also this existed, unlike project 2025.
Extremely hypocritical from someone not even posting links so support your argument that voting for Democrats is good, you also just write noncoherent blocks of texts unlike me who has systematically quoted and dunked on every one of your talking points from CNN.
Once again never said that. Stop putting words in other peoples mouths you’re causing yourself a lot of grief but that why liberals like yourself are so confused. I said that’s an actual example in reality unlike project 2025 which is not possible with current demographics.
What is your strategy again? Just voting for Democrats to pass extreme right wing economic policy? It looks like you’re simply confused about being on the left. You are not when you support right wing policy.
https://centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/registering-by-party-where-the-democrats-and-republicans-are-ahead/ That’s 18 states where your number is irrelevant. I live in one of these states and donate and support the green party so your number does not apply to me or millions of others. Cornell West also brought in support by the thousands recently so lots of momentum.
LOL, so you admit you are a right winger after all.
Greens are building momentum so nope not failing at all unlike the Democrats. (Unless you’re a multimillionaire of course)
They don’t pump the brakes, you’re just blind and probably too privileged to notice decline in quality of life of the poor and big uptick in eviction rates https://evictionlab.org/eviction-tracking/
Greens haven’t had a chance in congress or the presidency to make an impact unlike the Dems. They’ve had all they chances they need to prove their intention is to increase wealth inequality, but you support that as you are right wing.
Green party US is not in any way responsible of whats happening in Germany, you’re getting desperate to convince yourself voting for genocide is okay. (It’s not)
Not true at all. The vast majority of over 140 elected Greens in the US are in local politics making moves you don’t know or care about. https://www.gpelections.org/greens-in-office/
100% false. Trump legitimately had a better foreign policy record than Biden does right now. Biden has been a complete disaster on the world stage.
https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/stories/2017-01-17/obamas-covert-drone-war-in-numbers-ten-times-more-strikes-than-bush you forgetting he was VP during this?
You are ignoring Biden sending hundreds of billions to Ukraine to get them killed instead of negotiating. Then he sent more weapons to Israel to kill civilian in Gaza.
You bring up drone strikes as if a reduction is reducing civilians killed while Biden kills over 14,00 civilians in Gaza? Absolutely disgusting from you.
The DNC is ineffective on purpose. Vote for the Greens to get them elected then you can complain. You have no evidence of Green party US compromising with the right at all. Dems do get the right elected by being terrible policy makers. The right is weak in the US demographically, the only thing stopping the Greens from getting to have a chance is DNC propaganda which is working well on you. The duopoly is very weak right now Gallup polling last month found that a record 49% of Americans see themselves as politically independen so is the perfect time to vote for left wing parties.
Yet you spend so much time and effort justifying your support for genocide that you can’t take the time out of your day to vote for a left party. You are not part of the left.
Ok, bud.
Wasn’t after midnight for me.
No, I asked for a document comparable to the 2025 plan, go back and reread it. It’s not my fault you misread and gripped to that misinterpretation for too long.
I did give links. Specific ones that actually supported what I had said. Something beyond your capabilities because you’ve just given a bunch of irrelevant information. So what about Obama, VPs don’t authorize drone strikes. The Greens haven’t helped eviction rates ones bit. Your state’s local Green membership doesn’t mean shit.
You love to just make crazy-ass, unsupportable statements. I’ll give it a shot, too. The Greens pass far-right legislation. The Greens love to secretly do poorly on purpose because their goal is to weaken the left from the inside. Article 4 of the Green Party charter is worse than any policy ever enacted by Nazi Germany. Stein wants to launch nuclear war all over the world.
Normally quotes are usually unnecessary because the person you’re speaking to can remember what they themselves said. I suppose I expected too much of you.
That’s exactly what I provided except it was a real document and not some theory that doesn’t exist.
No, you gave a few links to irrelevant information.
Incredibly ironic.
Genocide Joe did exactly nothing to stop it. Not a word. Not a lifted finger because he is complicit in the killing of civilians.
Because you won’t vote for them.
Unsubstantiated.
No examples of that, whereas Democrats make whole careers out of it. You don’t want to accept that reality that your votes for them only ensure they stay wealthy and in power instead of taking a chance on the Greens.
Ironic when you vote for Joe Biden who is literally escalating tensions with nuclear powers.
Aww, you’re sad you have your bullshit called out with quotes. Oh well, looks like I win this one.
Jill Stein personally participated in and helped to cover up the Srebrenica Massacre. She steals candy from children. The Green Party personally sends out envoys to cut down our rainforests and bleach our coral reefs. They’re also flat-Earthers who want to ban ice cream.
LMAO. From our discussion so far, you don’t even know the meaning of hypocrisy or unsubstantiated. The Green Party is far-right and passes far-right legislation. Sound familiar?
Go look back and see who actually provided links in this discussion. You sent a link about green party membership without even knowing the rules of party membership. I’ve done a far better job substantiating my arguments.
All you’ve done is make excuses for voting for genocide so you don’t feel bad about killing children.
The Green Party is actually the leading cause of HIV infections in the country. Stein spits in people’s food. She also hates dogs and cats. The Green Party and the National Bolshevik movement are closely linked.
If you think you’ve been totally reasonable this whole time, you’re deluding yourself. You’ve just been brainlessly repeating shit like “the dems are far-right genocide encouragers.” And not even elaborating. In the face of the actual far right, you sound completely nuts. It’s no more true than any ridiculous nonsense off the top of my head. You’re so smug you actually think you’ve convinced yourself that your absurd opinions are facts.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/22/israel/gaza-hostilities-take-horrific-toll-children
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2023-10-10/how-much-aid-does-the-u-s-give-to-israel
Yawn.
Biden arranged a ceasefire and prisoner release and has at least discussed limiting or putting conditions on Israeli military aid, something Trump wouldn’t even consider.
I’ll also just leave these here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger’s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard–Satterthwaite_theorem
It’s great that you think you’re fighting the good fight by paving the way for “I’m for Israel First” Trump.
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No wonder your user name is depres mode you must be severely depressed to write such a book.
Im looking forward to voting for Jill Stein even more now.
Will respond to your pathetic nonsense tomorrow
That’s fine, I knew you wouldn’t have the attention span to read it, seeing as you can’t muster a thought longer than an elementary-level sentence. Elaboration is a good thing. You’re still wrong and you still don’t know what a citation is. The last sentence of my comment sums it all up pretty well, anyway.
Nope, your terminally online ass responded with this jumbled block of text past midnight.